[Vision2020] I sure hope we can see this soon

[Pat Kraut]

Are you aware of the climate changes that happened when Mt St Helens blew?
It worked its way around the world and added to weather issues even in Texas
where my brother lived. I do not think humans caused the weather change...I
do not think we are big enough. I also think that Gore is just using the
scare movie to make money. It is his company he buys 'carbon credits' from
so he makes a joke out of his campaign . I believe we need to behave
ourselves and clean up our own messes but I do not believe we are changing
the climate because weather is much more complicated than what we can do.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sue Hovey" <suehovey at moscow.com>
To: "Pat Kraut" <pkraut at moscow.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 9:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] I sure hope we can see this soon


My problem, which won't be a problem when we get home in a couple of weeks,
is that my modem is so slow here in Hawaii, I've just about given up trying
to download Internet addresses on Internet Explorer.  So I can't download
the site you have listed.  That's why I wanted the source.

My feeling is, though, the controversy concerning global warming--all the
issues are beginning to get good play.  It's just getting to be a lot less
defensable to say human activity isn't a large part of the problem.

There is an article in the paper here today which attributes the vog (its
called vog here because much of it is volcanic activity) to the volcano and
to pollution coming across the Pacific from China..

Take care,

Sue

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Pat Kraut" <pkraut at moscow.com>
To: "vision2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 5:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] I sure hope we can see this soon


> Why question the source theres a site listed that sayes it all. I want to
> really understand the whole story and I do not believe we are getting it
> from our everyday press so I seek to see/read other viewpoints. I surely
> do
> hope we will get a chance to see this documentary with another viewpoint
> and
> different info. However, knowing that our press is all owned by those who
> are not into truth or education I wonder how long it will take...if we
> ever
> get to see it on air here.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Sue Hovey" <suehovey at moscow.com>
> To: "Pat Kraut" <pkraut at moscow.com>
> Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 6:46 PM
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] I sure hope we can see this soon
>
>
> Pat, what is your source for this article?  Not that it invalidates the
> claim, but isn't this the Canadian fellow who has now been shown up as
> claiming to be someone he isn't?
>
> Sue
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Pat Kraut" <pkraut at moscow.com>
> To: "vision2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 4:05 PM
> Subject: [Vision2020] I sure hope we can see this soon
>
>
>> 'Global Warming Is Lies' Claims Documentary
>> Sunday, 4th March 2007, 11:04
>>
>> Accepted theories about man causing global warming are "lies" claims a
>> controversial new TV documentary.
>>
>> 'The Great Global Warming Swindle' - backed by eminent scientists - is
>> set
>> to rock the accepted consensus that climate change is being driven by
>> humans.
>>
>> The programme, to be screened on Channel 4 on Thursday March 8, will see
>> a
>> series of respected scientists attack the "propaganda" that they claim is
>> killing the world's poor.
>>
>> Nobody in the documentary defends the greenhouse effect theory, as it
>> claims
>> that climate change is natural, has been occurring for years, and ice
>> falling from glaciers is just the spring break-up and as normal as leaves
>> falling in autumn.
>>
>> A source at Channel 4 said: "It is essentially a polemic and we are
>> expecting it to cause trouble, but this is the controversial programming
>> that Channel 4 is renowned for."
>>
>> Controversial director Martin Durkin said: "You can see the problems with
>> the science of global warming, but people just don't believe you - it's
>> taken 10 years to get this commissioned.
>>
>> "I think it will go down in history as the first chapter in a new era of
>> the
>> relationship between scientists and society. Legitimate scientists -
>> people
>> with qualifications - are the bad guys.
>>
>> "It's very rare that a film changes history, but I think this is a
>> turning
>> point and in five years the idea that the greenhouse effect is the main
>> reason behind global warming will be seen as total bollocks.
>>
>> In 'The Great Global Warming Swindle' Al Gore is shown claiming this
>> proves
>> the theory, but paleoclimatologist Professor Ian Clark claims in the
>> documentary that it actually shows the opposite.
>>
>> He has evidence showing that warmer spells in the Earth's history
>> actually
>> came an average of 800 years before the rise in CO2 levels.
>>
>> He said the influential United Nations report on Climate change, that
>> claimed humans were responsible, was a sham. It claimed to be the opinion
>> of
>> 2,500 leading scientists, but Prof Reiter said it included names of
>> scientists who disagreed with the findings and resigned from the UN's
>> Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, and said the report was
>> finalised
>> by Government appointees.
>>
>> The CO2 theory is further undermined by claims that billions of pounds is
>> being provided by governments to fund greenhouse effect research, so
>> thousands of scientists know their job depends on the theory continuing
>> to
>> be seen as fact.
>>
>> Copyright © 2006 National News +44(0)207 684 3000
>>
>> read more: http://www.lse.co.uk/ShowStory.asp?s...ms_documentary
>>
>>
>> If we do discover a complete theory..of everything...we shall all,
>> philosophers, scientists and just ordinary people,
>> be able to take part in the discussion of why it is that we and the
>> universe
>> exist if we find the answer to that,
>> it would be the ultimate triumph of human reason...for then we would know
>> the mind of God.
>> Stephen Hawking
>>
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