[Vision2020] WA Initiative 1-957 - DOMA
Sue Hovey
suehovey at moscow.com
Mon Mar 5 13:07:36 PST 2007
Given the demographic distribution of the population, there isn't a state
where this would pass. Not that there aren't a lot of homophobics out there
who might think parts of this are just ducky, but the bill would have too
many negative impacts on the age group who are dependable voters--the over
50 bunch. Then there would be others who would be concerned with the "big
brother" aspects.
We're a very diverse group on V2020. Is there anyone here would support
this initiative? I doubt it.
Additionally, the initiative process is not without cost. There is a
filing fee, for instance. Did they do that? I would think so; they have a
number which comes from the Secretary of State. I don't know if Wash. has a
constitutional review prior, or just subsequent to the assigning of a
number. Some states do. That requires the hiring of a lawyer to prepare
papers for that review. Even with the "supporting" judicial decision, it
isn't a given. Then, there is the cost attached to gathering signatures
and that can be very expensive. Finally, when the votes are counted and
the initiative goes down in flames, it does cast doubt on the credibility of
the group proposing it. I can think of absolutely no logical reason for any
group to propose, even as a joke, this piece of.........
Sue Hovey
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To: "Sue Hovey" <suehovey at moscow.com>; "Tom Hansen" <thansen at moscow.com>;
"'keely emerinemix'" <kjajmix1 at msn.com>; <megan at meganpru.com>;
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Subject: Re: [Vision2020] WA Initiative 1-957 - DOMA
> It is a joke in the sence that they don't believe in it or expect it to
> pass. Their point is to draw parallels to prohibiting homosexual marriage.
> They probably would be tickled pink if it did pas. Then it could go to the
> courts and they would get even more publicity.
>
> Roger
> -----Original message-----
> From: "Sue Hovey" suehovey at moscow.com
> Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2007 12:42:35 -0800
> To: "Tom Hansen" thansen at moscow.com, "'keely emerinemix'"
> kjajmix1 at msn.com, megan at meganpru.com, vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] WA Initiative 1-957 - DOMA
>
>> I, too, thought it was a joke. What's the point of this initiative
>> anyway?
>> I'm lost here. I see it is as an over-the-top prohibition against same
>> sex
>> unions, but it goes so much further than that, they would never get the
>> signatures to place it on the ballot; certainly not in Washington. If it
>> were legislation I could understand their printing idiocy such as this
>> with
>> an intent to compromise somewhere so they could claim some sort of
>> victory,
>> but this is an initiative. It passes or fails as it is written. Of
>> course
>> the discussion would enliven AARP meetings in Seattle.
>>
>> Sue Hovey
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>> Sue Hovey
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Tom Hansen" <thansen at moscow.com>
>> To: "'keely emerinemix'" <kjajmix1 at msn.com>; <megan at meganpru.com>;
>> <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>> Sent: Friday, March 02, 2007 1:20 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] WA Initiative 1-957 - DOMA
>>
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>> >I assure you, Keely. This is NOT a joke.
>> >
>> > Here is a link to the I-957 PDF file from the state of Washington's
>> > Secretary of State office. It is virtually identical to the initiative
>> > reflected at the DOMA site.
>> >
>> > http://www.secstate.wa.gov/elections/initiatives/text/i957.pdf.
>> >
>> > Tom Hansen
>> > Moscow, Idaho
>> >
>> > "If not us, who?
>> > If not now, when?"
>> >
>> > - Unknown
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com
>> > [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
>> > On Behalf Of keely emerinemix
>> > Sent: Friday, March 02, 2007 3:09 PM
>> > To: megan at meganpru.com; vision2020 at moscow.com
>> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] WA Initiative 1-957 - DOMA
>> >
>> > It IS a joke. The intention was irony to make a larger point. This is
>> > unlike much of what passes for politics in Idaho, where the intention
>> > is
>> > serious and only the result is groan-worthy.
>> >
>> > keely
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > From: Megan Prusynski <megan at meganpru.com>
>> > To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] WA Initiative 1-957 - DOMA
>> > Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 14:21:05 -0800
>> >
>> > Wow, I am shocked that something this backwards and discriminatory
>> > would
>> > even be brought up these days... disgusting. It will never pass,
>> > hopefully,
>> >
>> > because that just sounds like fascism.
>> >
>> > By that initiative, if I were to marry my boyfriend (assuming we lived
>> > in
>> > WA), we'd have to have kids after 3 years or forfeit our marriage?!?
>> > So
>> > the
>> >
>> > state would be not only contributing to overpopulation, but
>> > controlling
>> > people's lives. We're not sure I want to have kids, and it sure as
>> > hell
>> > isn't gonna be within 3 years. That is just ridiculous (almost makes
>> > me
>> > think it's a joke!)....
>> >
>> > ~megan
>> >
>> > On Mar 2, 2007, at 1:33 PM, vision2020-request at moscow.com wrote:
>> >
>> >>----- Original Message ----
>> >>From: Ellen Roskovich <gussie443 at hotmail.com>
>> >>To: thansen at moscow.com; vision2020 at moscow.com
>> >>Sent: Friday, March 2, 2007 1:10:53 PM
>> >>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Washington Initiative I-957 (Defense of
>> >>MarriageInitiative)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>It will never fly. It is discrimination pure and simple and is
>> >>offensive
>> >>to so many different groups. What a waste of time and effort when
>> >>there
>> >>are so many really important issues to be considered.
>> >>
>> >>Ellen A. Roskovich
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
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>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>From: "Tom Hansen" <thansen at moscow.com>
>> >>To: "Vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>> >>Subject: [Vision2020] Washington Initiative I-957 (Defense of
>> >>MarriageInitiative)
>> >>Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 12:43:49 -0800
>> >>>>From the Defense of Marriage Alliance website at:
>> >>>
>> >>>http://www.wa-doma.org/
>> >>>
>> >>>"If passed by Washington voters, the Defense of Marriage Initiative
>> >>>(WA
>> >>>I-957) would:
>> >>>
>> >>>- add the phrase, 'who are capable of having children with one
>> >>>another'
>> >>>to
>> >>>the legal definition of marriage;
>> >>>
>> >>>- require that couples married in Washington file proof of
>> >>>procreation
>> >>>within three years of the date of marriage or have their marriage
>> >>>automatically annulled;
>> >>>
>> >>>- require that couples married out of state file
>> >>proof of procreation within
>> >>>three years of the date of marriage or have their marriage classed as
>> >>>"unrecognized;"
>> >>>
>> >>>- establish a process for filing proof of procreation; and make it a
>> >>>criminal act for people in an unrecognized marriage to receive
>> >>>marriage
>> >>>benefits."
>> >>>
>> >>>This initiative, as supported by the Defense of Marriage Alliance, is
>> >>>available for downloading and review at:
>> >>>
>> >>>http://www.wa-doma.org/Initiative.aspx
>> >>>
>> >>>Although the unwritten purpose of this initiative may be clearly
>> >>>understood
>> >>>(the denial of same-sex marriages/unions), its passage would further
>> >>>prohibit the marriage of ANY couple that is not capable of
>> >>>procreating:
>> >>>the
>> >>>elderly, cancer survivors, women who have undergone hysterectomies,
>> >>>men
>> >>>who
>> >>>have undergone vasectomies, etc.
>> >>etc.
>> >>>
>> >>>Your thoughts, Vision 2020?
>> >>>
>> >>>Tom "Straight But Not Narrow" Hansen
>> >>>Moscow, Idaho
>> >>>
>> >>>"Homophobia is like racism and anti-Semitism and other forms of
>> >>>bigotry
>> >>>in
>> >>>that it seeks to dehumanize a large group of people, to deny their
>> >>>humanity,
>> >>>their dignity and personhood,"
>> >>>
>> >>>- Coretta Scott King (March 30, 1998)
>> >
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