[Vision2020] Ten Sitler Questions

Sat Jun 30 12:00:36 PDT 2007

It comes from my programming background. When you are writing a function 
that, say, returns the result from a particular mathematical function 
you don't test every possible value of all the arguments and verify 
them, you test the "edge cases". For example, what happens when any of 
the arguments are zero? Does it handle that without throwing up a 
"divide by zero" error? What about when they are negative? Very large or 
very small? Infinity, or undefined?

I do the same thing when I am trying to protect the rights of 
individuals. The rights of children not to be victimized is obvious. No 
one in their right mind would ever be trying to take that right away. 
It's the rights of people you don't particularly care for that are at 
danger of being thrown out. The problem with their being thrown out is 
that you never know when you are going to be falsely accused of 
something and suddenly be the one who is getting all the hate from the 
community.

I don't see why I have to justify to you why I'm not stomping around 
yelling "think of the children!".

Paul

J Ford wrote:
> Define "edge cases".
>
> And your evasive answers do NOT answer the question of the rights of 
> the victims being violated and you arguing for those "rights" of the 
> victimizer.
>
> J :]
>
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>> From: Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com>
>> To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Ten Sitler Questions
>> Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 09:43:07 -0700
>>
>> Some rights are more obvious than others, such as the right a child has
>> not to be molested. It's always the edge cases you have to watch the
>> closest.
>>
>> Paul
>>
>> J Ford wrote:
>> >
>> > I never stated that you were/are against children. It just makes me
>> > sick that you and others complain about the "RIGHTS" of Sitler and his
>> > kind and seemingly forget that their victim's rights were and are
>> > trampled on like they simply don't matter.
>> >
>> > I, for one, am sick to death of hearing of the "RIGHTS" of the
>> > victimizer and NOTHING of the victims.
>> >
>> > J :]
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >> From: Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com>
>> >> To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>> >> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Ten Sitler Questions
>> >> Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 22:40:40 -0700
>> >>
>> >> I'm not anti-children. If you believe I am, you're wrong. I don't 
>> like
>> >> defending people like this, either, but either our rights that we 
>> have
>> >> mean something or they don't. If they can be completely taken away
>> >> because you or others hate this guy, then our rights are a figment of
>> >> our imagination and we don't deserve what little of them we have 
>> left.
>> >> The system may be broken, but it's the system we have. We don't 
>> have the
>> >> right to punish this guy ourselves.
>> >>
>> >> That's all I'm saying. And I'm done saying it.
>> >>
>> >> Paul
>> >>
>> >> J Ford wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > Sorry to be so blunt, but "F" Sitler's rights! What "RIGHT" does he
>> >> > have to commit and continue to commit these types of crimes against
>> >> > our childrens? What "RIGHT" does he have to be ALLOWED to commit 
>> these
>> >> > types of crimes? What "RIGHT" does he have to make our children
>> >> > targets of his sick, twisted fantasies?
>> >> >
>> >> > I have NO pity for this type of offender...you have no idea what 
>> harm
>> >> > and ever-lasting damage his kind force onto the most innocent of 
>> our
>> >> > citizens. Speaking from first hand knowledge - his type of 
>> behavior is
>> >> > a KILLER of the children it is foisted upon.
>> >> >
>> >> > So again I say "F" Sitler's "rights" - the second he decided 
>> this was
>> >> > his lifestyle that he wants to engage in, he gave up ANY 
>> "rights" he
>> >> > may have or will have...forever!!!
>> >> >
>> >> > And, what makes you think he or his type are not putting our
>> >> > children's pictures on the internet for other of his ilk to drool
>> >> > over, dream about, masturbate from. I don't see you crying for 
>> those
>> >> > children's "exposure" which is totally unwanted and dangerous. It
>> >> > permanently marks those children - do you really think his "rights"
>> >> > outweigh those of his victims?
>> >> >
>> >> > The "witch" hunt was begun by Sitler and others like him against 
>> our
>> >> > children. When are you going to get it that THAT is what needs 
>> to be
>> >> > stopped? Other offender's crimes are posted and broadcast all 
>> over the
>> >> > news to the minutest detail...why not Sitler's?
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > J :]
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >> From: Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com>
>> >> >> To: Vision 2020 <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>> >> >> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Ten Sitler Questions
>> >> >> Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 21:30:53 -0700
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Ok, time for an unpopular viewpoint. Are we taking this too far?
>> >> >> Where do we draw the line between protection of the public and 
>> this
>> >> >> man's rights? I understand that he lost many rights when he did 
>> what
>> >> >> he did. But couldn't we be taking things too far?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Yes, binoculars can enable his voyeurism. However, he can actually
>> >> >> see without them through his eyeballs. Should we gouge them out 
>> as a
>> >> >> precaution?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I agree with you on the questions about why he was let out on 
>> parole
>> >> >> so early, I agree that he's probably at high risk to reoffend. I
>> >> >> think we would be better off if he served more of his original
>> >> >> sentence. I understand that children need to be protected. But 
>> where
>> >> >> do we draw the line? We're posting this man's episodes of
>> >> >> masturbation on a public forum.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I see the makings of a witch-hunt here, and it makes me
>> >> uncomfortable.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Just my opinion.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Paul
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Art Deco wrote:
>> >> >>> Here is a letter from one of the persons providing sexual 
>> offender
>> >> >>> treatment to Steven Sitler. This letter is found as part of a
>> >> >>> /Report of Probation Violation/ filed in the court by Senior
>> >> >>> Probation Officer Jackye Squires Leonard.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Dalton Lombard, D.Min, LCPC
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> P O Box 1911
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Lewiston, Id. 83501
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> June 18, 2007
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Jackie Squires
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Probation and Parole
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Moscow Idaho 83843
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> RE. Steven Shier
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Dear Ms. Squires,
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> This note is in response lo our Telephone conversation today. 
>> During
>> >> >>> the weekly check in time for the offender group I lead for Valley
>> >> >>> Treatment Specialties Mr. Sitler reported that he had 
>> masturbated on
>> >> >>> two occasions during the previous week. When asked for more 
>> detail
>> >> >>> about the circumstances and fantasies he experienced during his
>> >> >>> masturbation he reported that he had been looking in a neighbor's
>> >> >>> window with his binoculars. As a result he became aroused and 
>> later
>> >> >>> masturbated. He denied viewing anyone at the residence but
>> >> >>> acknowledged that he was aroused by looking in the window. He 
>> stated
>> >> >>> to the group that voyeurism is one of the behaviors be engaged in
>> >> >>> prior to and leading up to the offences he was convicted of.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> I consider this to be a very high risk behavior for Mr. Sitler
>> >> >>> considering he had been out of jail less than a month at the 
>> lime he
>> >> >>> reported the behavior. In my mind this behavior constitutes a
>> >> >>> violation of his parole and of his treatment contract with Valley
>> >> >>> Treatment Specialties.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Thank you for your consideration in this matter.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> /s/
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Dalton Lombard
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> The contents of this letter and other events raise some 
>> questions.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> First, with respect to the binoculars:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> 1. When did Sitler acquire the binoculars?
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> 2. Did he previously possess them and someone returned them to 
>> him,
>> >> >>> did he lately acquire them, or did someone lately acquire them
>> >> for him?
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Given his history of voyeurism and its leading up pedophilic
>> >> incidents:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> 3. What was his motivation for either acquiring or keeping the
>> >> >>> binoculars?
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> 4. Shouldn't the possession of binoculars been a no-no in his
>> >> >>> probation agreement?
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Second, considering the comment "I consider this to be a very 
>> high
>> >> >>> risk behavior for Mr. Sitler" from his therapist:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> 5. Why was bail granted at all?
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> 6. Is he not a high risk to reoffend?
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> 7. Why hasn't a Motion to Revoke Probation been filed by the
>> >> >>> prosecuting attorney so that an evidentiary hearing can be 
>> held and
>> >> >>> a decision whether to revoke probation or not be made by the 
>> court?
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> There is a new letter from Dr. Lombard to Judge Stegner now in 
>> the
>> >> >>> file:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> 8. Why has this letter been sealed?
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> 9. Aren't the citizens whose children who are now at risk with
>> >> >>> Sitler out on probation entitled to the information which would
>> >> >>> allow them to:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> a. Evaluate the risk?
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> b. Express their opinions to the prosecutor, media, etc.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Sitler was ordered by the court to vacate his current 
>> residence on
>> >> >>> June 19, 2007. Today is June 29, 2007. The screen snapshot just
>> >> >>> below was taken at 7:30 pm today (06/29/07).
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> According to the Idaho Central Sexual Offender Website
>> >> >>>
>> >> 
>> http://www.isp.state.id.us/identification/sex_offender/obligations.html
>> >> >>> Sitler is obligated to:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Within 2 working days of changing the address or location of
>> >> >>> residence within the county where the sex offender is registered,
>> >> >>> the offender must complete an address change form in person 
>> with the
>> >> >>> sheriff of that county of the change.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> OR
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Within 5 working days of moving to another state, the 
>> registered sex
>> >> >>> offender must provide written notice of the move to the 
>> central sex
>> >> >>> offender registry. The person must also register in the other 
>> State
>> >> >>> within the time period required by that State, but not to 
>> exceed 10
>> >> >>> days.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> 10. Has Sitler complied with the above but for administrative
>> >> >>> ineptitude his State of Idaho sexual offender profile has not yet
>> >> >>> been updated?
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> As of now, a status hearing on this matter is scheduled for 
>> Monday,
>> >> >>> July 2nd at 2:00 pm. Since schedules can change, those interested
>> >> >>> should call the Clerk of the Court's office early Monday to check
>> >> >>> for any change (Courthouse: 882-8580).
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Wayne A. Fox
>> >> >>> 1009 Karen Lane
>> >> >>> PO Box 9421
>> >> >>> Moscow, ID 83843
>> >> >>> (208) 882-7975
>> >> >>> waf at moscow.com <mailto:waf at moscow.com>
>> >> >>>
>> >> 
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