[Vision2020] love for police

Mon Jun 25 11:25:21 PDT 2007

A lot of commodity groups do have a check off program where a percentage from the sale of a product goes  for research or other things that will benefit the group as a whole. I don't think that all commodity groups do this. There is a group within the Cattlemen's Association that is opposed to a mandatory check off.

Roger
-----Original message-----
From: Nick Gier ngier at uidaho.edu
Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 21:46:08 -0700
To: Sue Hovey suehovey at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] love for police

> Greetings:
> 
> Before I address the issues of the police union 
> and right-to-work-for-less, I would like to 
> clarify some points that Schwaller made about my 
> union (the AFT) and teachers applying for 
> unemployment benefits.  The AFT is requesting 
> this only on the part of what we call 
> "paraprofessionals," many of whom have part-time 
> or temporary status.  Our request does not at all 
> apply to full-time classroom teachers.
> 
> Schwaller was also incorrect to assume that the 
> AFT/IFT is the union for Idaho's K-12 
> teachers.  It's Sue Hovey's IEA/NEA.  When we got 
> started in 1974, the IEA was well established and 
> was doing a good job of representing Idaho's 
> teachers.  The AFT has its strength at the higher 
> education level where we are the faculty union on all six campuses.
> 
> With declining union membership nearly 
> everywhere, it is significant to note that 
> between them the AFT and NEA represent 75 percent 
> of the nation's teachers.  Those who say that 
> unionized teachers are the reason why America's 
> students do so poorly have to explain why the 
> students of highly unionized teachers around the 
> world do so much better than our 
> students.  Instead of 16,000 different school 
> districts and their lay boards, most of these 
> countries have highly centralized and fully 
> professional educational administration.
> 
> My understanding is that the vote for the police 
> union was unanimous, so that makes the issue of 
> involuntary membership a moot point.  The 
> principles of representative democracy dictate 
> that the party or union that wins the election 
> represents everyone in the district or bargaining 
> unit.  One should be required to pay taxes or union dues for services rendered.
> 
> It is my understanding, and Roger can correct me 
> if I'm wrong, but every Idaho farmer has to pay 
> an annual fee to his commodity group in order to 
> sell his crop.  Why aren't those 
> right-to-work-for-less people, funded by right 
> wingers like Coors Brewery, protecting the 
> Idaho's farmer's right to sell?  Go figure!
> 
> If you survey all the right-to-work states, you 
> will find that without exception they have the 
> lowest wages and the least protection for their workers.
> 
> Solarity forever!
> 
> Nick Gier, President, Idaho Federation of Teachers, AFL-CIO
> 
> Sue Hovey wrote:
> >When Nancy Chaney and Linda Pall voted against 
> >the police request for unionization, it seemed a 
> >violation of what I thought they stood for.  For 
> >me, it was one of those telling acts which 
> >clearly define who they are. I would probably 
> >not vote for either of them again. Roger, I 
> >think your memory of the events is correct. 
> >(Your other posting) That's the way I remember 
> >it, too. As a member of the IEA (teachers' 
> >union) I worked with those who chose not to 
> >join, and even though I often respected them as 
> >teachers, I resented their being freeloaders 
> >while the rest of us paid their way.  And more 
> >than once non-members got into trouble and only 
> >then came asking for membership forms.  Legally 
> >we had to let them join and then defend them. We 
> >also had to defend non-members if their 
> >grievance fell within the guidelines of the 
> >negotiated grievance procedure.  I think a 
> >couple of court decisions have adjusted that 
> >mandate somewhat to protect the union 
> >financially. Sue H. ----- Original Message ----- 
> >From: "lfalen" <lfalen at turbonet.com> To: "Tom 
> >Ivie" <the_ivies3 at yahoo.com>; 
> ><vision2020 at moscow.com> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 
> >2007 3:44 PM Subject: Re: [Vision2020] love for 
> >police > My view is that anyone should be able 
> >to join what ever group the want, > union or 
> >otherwise. No one should be forced to join a 
> >union as a condition > of employment. If 
> >individual members of the police force wanted to 
> >join a > union they should have been able to. 
> >Those that do not want to should not > be t 
> >required to do so. > > Roger > -----Original 
> >message----- > From: Tom Ivie 
> >the_ivies3 at yahoo.com > Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 
> >14:56:06 -0700 > To: vision2020 at moscow.com > 
> >Subject: [Vision2020] love for police > >> I 
> >like the way everyone professes their gratitude 
> >to the police now but >> not when the police 
> >wanted to do something "radical" like 
> >unionizing. It >> amazes me to hear some of the 
> >same people say that they love the police >> 
> >when they or groups they associate with actively 
> >worked to squash the >> Police 
> >Union. >>          To my knowledge, the police 
> >donÂ’t usually ask for a lot.  I >> never hear 
> >them complain. Yet, the one time they speak up 
> >about something >> they do want, we shut them 
> >down. Maybe the issues they wanted a union 
> >for >> have been resolved, I donÂ’t 
> >know. >> >>  It just strikes a nerve with me to 
> >hear Â“we love them so muchÂ” out of >> one side 
> >of the mouth and Â“no union for youÂ” out of the 
> >other side.  They >> give and we take?  Why 
> >canÂ’t they give and we give back to them.  Is 
> >the >> love for the police and hate (by some) 
> >for their unionization a mutually >> exclusive 
> >bipartition dichotomy or a logical 
> >fallacy?  Discussion? >> >> >> Tom & Liz 
> >Ivie >> >> --------------------------------- >> 
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> "Truth is the summit of being; justice is the 
> application of it to human affairs."
> --Ralph Waldo Emerson
> 
> "Abstract truth has no value unless it incarnates 
> in human beings who represent it, by proving their readiness to die for it."
>   --Mohandas Gandhi
> 
> "Modern physics has taught us that the nature of 
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