[Vision2020] Christ is Our Commander-in-Chief

Kai Eiselein, editor editor at lataheagle.com
Wed Jun 6 15:24:20 PDT 2007


Nick, will you have anything about the religious overtones of Japan's 
aggression in WWII? After all, the emperor was regarded as a god and 
kamikaze translates to "Divine Wind". The Japanese regarded themselves as 
cultured, yet saw nothing wrong with tossing babies in the air and impaling 
them on bayonets. Even ealier, a samurai could, and would behead an 
individual for not bowing quickly enough. As in most culures of the time, 
the value of human life was minimal.
Even in the Americas, religious violence was not uncommon, and I'm not 
talking about Europeans. Take a look at the Aztecs and the Incas, among 
others, and their human sacrifices.
There is a bloody past in every culture on the face of this planet. You are 
merely purpetuating the age-old pissing contest of "My god is bigger, badder 
and more powerful than your god."
For such a learned man, that is a pretty narrow view.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <nickgier at adelphia.net>
To: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 10:37 AM
Subject: [Vision2020] Christ is Our Commander-in-Chief


> Good Morning:
>
> I would like to thank Gary Crabtree for the inspiration for this week's 
> KRFP radio commentary.
>
> Nick Gier
>
> CHRIST IS OUR COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF:
> RELATIVE VIOLENCE IN ISLAM AND CHRISTIANITY
>
> I'm writing a book on the origins of religious violence and my thesis is 
> that there has been far more religiously motivated violence in the 
> Abrahamic religions—Judaism, Christianity, and Islam—than the Asian 
> religions. Draft chapters can be viewed at 
> www.class.uidaho.edu/ngier/orv.htm.
>
> A person on our local list-serve Vision2020 had this to say about relative 
> violence in Islam and Christianity:
>
> "Up to the eleventh century Islam had a sizable lead. From 1095 to 1291 
> the Church picked up the pace and nosed ahead. It was neck and neck till 
> 1834 and the end of the Spanish Inquisition. After that Allah's chosen 
> made it no contest."
>
> There are more than a few problems with this summary history.
>
> Islam could not possibly have had any sort of lead before the 11th Century 
> because Christianity had a very good head start.  Under Theodosius I, 
> being a pagan was a capital crime, and even Christians were arrested if 
> they practiced even the most minor of pagan practices.
>
> On December 25, 390, Theodosius ordered the slaughter of 7,000 pagans in 
> Thessalonica.  The British historian Hugh Trevor Roper called Theodosius 
> "the first Spanish Inquisitor," and "the Christian monarch who introduced 
> the world to religious totalitarianism."
>
> Bishop Ambrose, who baptized St. Augustine, made Theodosius do penance for 
> the atrocities at Thessalonica, but he still proclaimed that "Christ was 
> now at the head of the [Roman] legions."
>
> This reminds me of the sign outside a fundamentalist church in L.A., right 
> after the invasion of Iraq: "Christ is our Commander-in-Chief."  I'm 
> assuming that our born-again president would have to agree with this 
> demotion.
>
> Under Muslim rule Jews and Christians were generally asked to offer a 
> special tax, not their heads.  The slaughter of 4,000 Jews in Muslim 
> Granada in 1066 was the exception rather than the rule, and Jews generally 
> had much better lives in Muslim Spain than anywhere else in Christian 
> Europe.
>
> In 1099, men, women, and children were slaughtered indiscriminately when 
> Christian forces captured Jerusalem. An eyewitness reported that the 
> Crusaders "rode in blood up to their knees and bridle reins. Indeed, it 
> was a just and splendid judgment of God that this place should be filled 
> with the blood of the unbelievers, since it had suffered so long from 
> their blasphemies."
>
> When Saladin retook the city in 1187, Christians were only required to pay 
> a ransom and then free to return home.  Some of Saladin's officers paid 
> for those who could not afford it, and about 7,000 others were sold into 
> slavery.
>
> In Muslim India Buddhist and Hindus were, incredibly enough, declared 
> "People of the Book," and the tax on non-Muslims was only sporadically 
> enforced and even more infrequently collected.
>
> Most of the ancestors of Muslims in Pakistan, Bangladesh (especially 
> here), India, Indonesia, and Malaysia freely converted to Islam.  Areas in 
> India where forced conversions were attempted are now the places where one 
> finds the fewest Muslims per capita.
>
> Some Mughal emperors ordered the destruction of Hindu and Buddhist 
> temples, but local resistance and intimidated Mughal functionaries meant 
> that relatively few temples were liquidated. Early Christian emperors were 
> much more successful in destroying pagan temples, including the one in 
> Alexandria that housed the finest library in the ancient world.
>
> Curiously, the Vision2020 post above ended Christian atrocities in 1834, 
> but during the Taiping Rebellion, Chinese Christian armies were 
> responsible for killing 10-20 million people between 1852-1864.  I would 
> hazard a guess that more Daoist, Buddhist, and Confucian temples were 
> destroyed by the Taipings in 12 years than 600 years of Muslim rule in 
> India.
>
> Some have claimed that the Taipings were not really Christians, but that 
> is simply not the case. They took great pains to eliminate Chinese 
> religious influences; they enforced the 10 Commandments at the point of a 
> sword; and they followed the Bible very carefully, including the 
> prophecies in the Book of Revelation.
>
> Short of Osama bin Laden getting several nukes and using them,
> militant Muslims have a long way to go to match the historical Christian 
> kill rate.
>
> Nick Gier taught religion and philosophy at the University of  Idaho for 
> 31 years.  See his columns as the Palouse Pundit at www.NickGier.com.
>
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