[Vision2020] Follow up - Islam the religion of peace!

Tue Jun 5 08:30:25 PDT 2007

Alas, as with any church, the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster (CFSM) 
is not without division.  Lately there has been some tension among the 
marinara, alfredo and parmesan factions.  Carl Westberg Jr.

>From: "deb" <debismith at moscow.com>
>To: "Carl Westberg" <carlwestberg846 at hotmail.com>, <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Follow up - Islam the religion of peace!
>Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 19:55:22 -0800
>
>I'm liking this church, Carl! And it certainly doesn't refute my Pagan
>belief system----of course, we Pagans just co-opt whatever works, and this
>works....
>Debi
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Carl Westberg" <carlwestberg846 at hotmail.com>
>To: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 3:58 PM
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Follow up - Islam the religion of peace!
>
>
> > ".....which is more rational?"  The Church of the Flying Spaghetti
> > Monster,
> > of course.  You can learn more.....http://www.venganza.org/       Carl
> > Westberg Jr.
> >
> >
> >>From: "Kai Eiselein, editor" <editor at lataheagle.com>
> >>To: "Ted Moffett" <starbliss at gmail.com>,        "Donovan Arnold"
> >><donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>
> >>CC: vision2020 at moscow.com, Carl Westberg <carlwestberg846 at hotmail.com>
> >>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Follow up - Islam the religion of peace!
> >>Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 15:29:01 -0700
> >>
> >>Christians: In the beginning, there was nothing, then God created the
> >>heavens and the Earth.
> >>(Some) Native Americans: Raven created the Earth.
> >> >From China: Long, long ago, when heaven and earth were still one, the
> >>entire universe was contained in an egg-shaped cloud. All the matter of
> >>the
> >>universe swirled chaotically in that egg. Deep within the swirling 
>matter
> >>was Pan Gu, a huge giant who grew in the chaos. For 18,000 years he
> >>developed and slept in the egg. Finally one day he awoke and stretched,
> >>and
> >>the egg broke to release the matter of the universe. The lighter purer
> >>elements drifted upwards to make the sky and heavens, and the heavier
> >>impure elements settled downwards to make the earth.
> >>Mossi (Africa):   In the beginning there was no earth, no day or night,
> >>and
> >>not even time itself. All that existed was the Kingdom of Everlasting
> >>Truth, which was ruled by the Naba Zid-Wendé. The Naba Zid-Wendé made 
>the
> >>earth, and then they made the day and the night.
> >> >From India: In the beginning there was absolutely nothing, and what
> >>existed was covered by death and hunger. He thought, "Let me have a 
>self",
> >>and he created the mind. As he moved about in worship, water was
> >>generated.
> >>Froth formed on the water, and the froth eventually solidifed to become
> >>earth. He rested on the earth, and from his luminence came fire. After
> >>resting, he divided himself in three parts, and one is fire, one is the
> >>sun, and one is the air.
> >>Science: There was nothing.... and then it exploded.
> >>Hmmmmmmmmmmmm, which is more rational?
> >>   ----- Original Message -----
> >>   From: Ted Moffett
> >>   To: Donovan Arnold
> >>   Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com ; Carl Westberg
> >>   Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 2:50 PM
> >>   Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Follow up - Islam the religion of peace!
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>   Donovan et. al.
> >>
> >>   I have heard your argument numerous times from various sources.  It 
>is
> >>specious.
> >>
> >>   Assuming we do not know for certain what God, the Goddess, Gods or
> >>Goddesses, or various other possible forms of supreme beings or powers,
> >>will regard as the correct way of thinking, it remains possible that 
>being
> >>agnostic will be regarded by the supreme being, beings or powers in our
> >>universe, as the most laudable and rational response to the evidence 
>based
> >>on reason.  Therefore agnostics may turn out to be the chosen people, 
>and
> >>the so called "faithful" will be viewed in a less than favorable light 
>for
> >>their blind allegiance to dogmatic doctrines that are not supported
> >>sufficiently by evidence or reason.
> >>
> >>   Ted Moffett
> >>
> >>
> >>   On 5/31/07, Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>     Carl,
> >>
> >>     It is illogical to be agnostic. If you die, which you will, and 
>there
> >>is in fact a God, you best have worshiped him. On the other, if there is
> >>no
> >>God, it won't count against you.
> >>
> >>     Best,
> >>
> >>     Donovan
> >>
> >>
> >>     keely emerinemix <kjajmix1 at msn.com> wrote:
> >>       And, as one of your Christian friends, I love you for that, Carl.
> >>
> >>       No, wait -- I hate you.  I think.
> >>
> >>       AAARRRRGGGHHHH!  It's so confusing -- who to hate, who to love, 
>who
> >>to pray against, who to call "brother" or "sister,"  who to make fun of.
> >>If only there were a guide . . .
> >>
> >>       keely
> >>
> >>       > From: carlwestberg846 at hotmail.com
> >>       > To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> >>       > Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 17:13:26 -0700
> >>       > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Follow up - Islam the religion of
> >> peace!
> >>       >
> >>       > The repeated attempts by certain Christian folk to convince me
> >>that by the
> >>       > mere fact of being Muslim, one is evil, makes me all the more
> >>convinced that
> >>       > to remain an agnostic who has Muslims and Christians in his
> >> circle
> >>of
> >>       > friends is the right choice. Carl Westberg Jr.
> >>       >
> >>       >
> >>
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