[Vision2020] Immigration: The Human Cost (Was: "Illegals" OK only if they fight in Iraq)

Sun Jun 3 15:06:07 PDT 2007

http://www.theonion.com/content/video/immigration_the_human_cost

Seeya round town, Moscow.

Tom Hansen

Moscow, Idaho

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Bibles just have it plain wrong."

- Donovan Arnold (August 23, 2005) 

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From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
On Behalf Of Donovan Arnold
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 2:52 PM
To: keely emerinemix; Nick Gier; Andreas Schou
Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] "Illegals" OK only if they fight in Iraq

Keely,

You think it is humane and Christian to encourage others to run across the
boarder illegally risking their life because they can get naturalized faster
than some who does it legally and safely? I think this running across the
boarder, getting raped, killed, mugged, and treated like a slave when they
get here is the WORST thing we could possibly endorse as a Christians or
Americans. 

Second, you state; 

"Legalize 'em, I say -- if they've got no criminal record, are gainfully
employed, and pay a processing fee/penalty."

Isn't this an oxymoron, or catch 22? If they came here illegally, illegally
crossed the boarder, illegally obtained a job, illegally forged documents,
illegally lied to government officials, and illegally avoided paying taxes,
aren't we then allowing criminals into the country over the ones that did it
legally?

I believe that there has to be a better way of balancing the needs and
ethical treatment of those wanting to come to this country, the economic
needs of the country, and the concerns raised by others allowing so many
people regarding the illegal flooding of immigrants into this country and
over-tapping of its resources.

This nation is a great place to live because we have more resources per
person. If we allow people to flood this nation at a rate faster than it can
accommodate and adapt to the increase our quality of life drastically
declines and this great land of ours ceases to be what makes it so wonderful
in the first place. 

I don't want an expanding class of slaves in this country, which is what
this government is allowing to happen. It is just horrible to treat people
like this. It destroys are cities, our way of life, and our humanity. It
would be wonderful to be able to let every poor down trotted soul into this
country, but we cannot. And to allow desperate people to come into this
country only to be abused, used as slaves, and to drag down the wages of our
already existing poor is the wrong direction for this country to be going
in.  

"it is indisputable that most of us benefit, from the dinner table to the
pension table, from their work."

That is disputed. Real-wages have declined. Poor legal citizens in this
country also suffer because of an ever expanding large slave labor force.
The people that are profiting are the upper classes that own the means of
production, not the workers. The GDP has increased as a result of more slave
labor. However, real wages and actual wealth for the majority of US citizens
declines as illegals have increased in number. 

Best,

Donovan

keely emerinemix <kjajmix1 at msn.com> wrote:

The H2B program is a good start, but, as Nick says, has a quota that makes
it a virtually guaranteed failure.  And while I would question that "only 10
percent" of undocumented Mexican workers send a child to public school, it
is indisputable that most of us benefit, from the dinner table to the
pension table, from their work.

Legalize 'em, I say -- if they've got no criminal record, are gainfully
employed, and pay a processing fee/penalty.  Yes, it's a very personal issue
for me, but I feel able to argue it from a humanitarian and an economic
perspective.

keely

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Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 07:09:40 -0800
From: ngier at uidaho.edu
To: ophite at gmail.com
CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] "Illegals" OK only if they fight in Iraq

Good Morning:

Larry Kudlow, writing for the conservative journal National Review (4/4/06),
goes beyond the requests of the current legislation.  He urges Congress to
expand the ridiculously low unskilled H-2B quota from 140,000 to the
millions of visas that are needed for our service and agricultural economy.

Kudlow also reminds Americans that "illegals have [paid] $7 billion to
Social Security and $1.5 billion to Medicare. They are contributing to our
wealth, not reducing it."  He also adds that "only 10 percent of illegal
Mexicans have sent a child to an American public school and just 5 percent
have received food stamps or unemployment benefits."

Nick Gier

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