[Vision2020] Follow up - Islam the religion of peace!

[g. crabtree]

 I don't understand your point, or if you even have one. What is the number 
of Christian countries (by population) whose governments have an official 
policy of killing Muslims? It wouldn't be the Democratic Republic of the 
Congo, France, Italy, Nigeria, Germany, Philippines, China, Mexico, Brazil, 
and last but furthest from least the United States. I've not even begun to 
cover them all. If you meant officially Roman Catholic (The Church) as in 
the official state religion we have to narrow it down to Vatican City and 
some cantons of Switzerland. Still no policy of killing the followers of 
Islam.

In a Muslim country where religion and government is inextricably bound, an 
"official policy" would carry less weight than a religious edict. In Iran, 
for example, the mullahs have more control of the day to day goings on of 
the people (Muslim or Non) then the government does.

If Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, Afghanistan,and the "Palestinian" controlled areas 
are any indication, Muslims do the best job of killing Muslims hands down, 
running away.

g
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Nick Gier" <ngier at uidaho.edu>
To: "Andreas Schou" <ophite at gmail.com>
Cc: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 2:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Follow up - Islam the religion of peace!


> Greetings:
>
> I would like to know from Crabtree or Heirdoug the number of Muslim
> countries whose governments have an official policy of killing
> Christians?  It would not be Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, Egypt,
> Pakistan, Indonesia, Malaysia, Turkey, or even Saudi Arabia.  I've
> not even begun to cover them all.
>
> Nick Gier
>
> At 01:23 PM 6/1/2007, you wrote:
>> > The Church has apologized for the hideous behavior of the inquisition 
>> > and
>> > the crusades, which occurred during the eleventh through the thirteenth
>> > century. Can you point out where the followers of Allah have done the 
>> > same,
>> > considering that their reign of terror has run from its inception in 
>> > 622 up
>> > through today?
>>
>>Can you point out a Muslim religious leader with authority similar to
>>the Pope's? The Catholic Church has the distinct advantage of having a
>>leader with the doctrinal authority to apologize on behalf of the
>>organization*. Islam does not.
>>
>>-- ACS
>>
>>* Additionally, take a look at some of the mendacious nonapologies
>>issued by the Catholic Church for some of its greatest atrocities. For
>>example, the Church's apology for the Albisgenian Crusade, recorded in
>>the Catholic Encyclopedia, takes this form:
>>
>>"Properly speaking, Albigensianism was not a Christian heresy but an
>>extra-Christian religion. Ecclesiastical authority, after persuasion
>>had failed, adopted a course of severe repression, which led at times
>>to regrettable excess. Simon of Montfort intended well at first, but
>>later used the pretext of religion to usurp the territory of the
>>Counts of Toulouse. The death penalty was, indeed, inflicted too
>>freely on the Albigenses, but it must be remembered that the penal
>>code of the time was considerably more rigorous than ours, and the
>>excesses were sometimes provoked. Raymond VI and his successor,
>>Raymond VII, were, when in distress, ever ready to promise, but never
>>to earnestly amend. Pope Innocent III was justified in saying that the
>>Albigenses were "worse than the Saracens"; and still he counselled
>>moderation and disapproved of the selfish policy adopted by Simon of
>>Montfort. What the Church combated was principles that led directly
>>not only to the ruin of Christianity, but to the very extinction of
>>the human race. "
>>
>>This, of course, elides the Church's own contribution to the
>>Albigensian Crusade's atrocities. The famous quotation, "Kill them
>>all. God will known his own," was uttered not by an avaricious
>>nobleman, but by the Papal legate: the Pope's appointed avisor to the
>>Crusaders. (Further, it was in response to a question regarding how
>>the Crusaders might avoid murdering their fellow Catholics)
>>
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