[Vision2020] campaign contributions
Craine Kit
kcraine at verizon.net
Thu Jul 19 11:50:37 PDT 2007
Dan,
When did you retire? Did you resign from the Fire Department? Did you
inherit a couple million? Have I missed something?
Kit Craine
On Jul 18, 2007, at 8:22 PM, Donovan Arnold wrote:
> Dan,
>
> It does cost a lot of money to run and win a political office.
> Political offices pay very little, if anything, and for those of us
> that have to work for a living, political office is not really an
> option. Even when I was going to school and serving in student
> government I could not work another job because I just didn't have
> the time to be able to do both.
>
> I knew of students in ASUI and the Graduate and Professional
> Student Association that just could not contribute because they
> didn't have the money to donate that large of a chunk of time away
> from work and family.
>
> Political offices are for the wealthy and those with lots of free
> time. The average person cannot participate.
>
> Best,
>
> Donovan
>
>
>
> Dan Carscallen <areaman at moscow.com> wrote:
> Donovan Arnold,
>
> It doesn’t cost that much money, and if you have good ideas that
> people agree with, they will contribute to your campaign.
>
> If anything, it just takes a bit of fortitude.
>
> DC
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-
> bounces at moscow.com] On Behalf Of Donovan Arnold
> Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 5:04 PM
> To: Tom Ivie; vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] campaign contributions
>
> Tom Ivie,
>
> It costs money to run for office.
>
> Best.
>
> Donovan
>
>
> Tom Ivie <the_ivies3 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Donovan,
> If you are so disenchanted with the school board and
> administration, why not run for the board seat the next time your
> area has an opening? You do know that it is a thankless job with
> no pay, sometimes requiring attention equivalent to a full-time job?
>
> Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Keely,
>
> Of course you wouldn't. And certainly explains why you squandered
> an opportunity to do something positive with your previous
> position. The MSD administration has failed the students. Many
> children succeed despite that failure to be given what they deserve
> by MSD. And your fail to recognize that, in part, is why MSD is
> being sued, why it is having to shut down programs and not rehire
> teachers this year, and why it just makes excuses and blames others
> for why they cannot fix problems with the system.
>
> Winners and successful administrations don't give laundry lists of
> why they are unsuccessful and cannot provide what others are under
> the same conditions. They make laundry lists of how to overcome
> those problems and then implement them.
>
> Best,
>
> Donovan
>
>
>
> keely emerinemix <kjajmix1 at msn.com> wrote:
> Donovan, I have never, nor would I, begin or end an argument about
> MSD with the phrase "they failed."
>
> They didn't. They don't.
>
> keely
>
> "And these women that you spit on as they try to change their worlds/
> Are immune to your consultations . . . they're quite aware of what
> they're going through"
> (With apologies to David Bowie)
>
> Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 21:40:03 -0700
> From: donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
> Subject: RE: [Vision2020] campaign contributions
> To: kjajmix1 at msn.com; vision2020 at moscow.com
> Keely's argument is that they failed because it was the fault of
> the state and federal government. Of course why they failed and
> other school administrations under the same federal and state
> government restrictions have not is yet to be explained?
>
> Boise High School is ranked in the top 100 high schools in the
> nation. How are they able to provide a lower tax rate, meet the
> same federal and state regulations and succeed under the
> dictatorially anti-education government? Why is Boise, and other
> Idaho schools so successful and Moscow failing to provide?
>
> I don't think anyone is asking for a miracle, they are just asking
> for accountability and honesty. Something I think this
> administration is seriously lacking. Moscow is the "Berkley of
> Idaho." It is suppose to be the brain trust of the state. It has
> more Mom's with PhDs per capita than any other city in the county.
> Yet it cannot beat Boise in primary and secondary education? We
> know that Moscow has every advantage possible, more money per
> pupil, college educated parents, and a great environment. Yet it is
> far out paced by Boise. Why is this?
>
> Keely says it is because of a factor, state and federal
> regulations, that every other school has to implement as well. I
> say it is because of the MSD Administration that is looking out for
> some teachers, politicians, and themselves over the welfare of the
> students.
>
> Best,
>
> Donovan
>
>
>
>
>
> keely emerinemix <kjajmix1 at msn.com> wrote:
> Of course, if MSD had "worked things out" with Gerry Weitz, and
> presumably, then, with every other stakeholder who has had
> suggestions or concerns about the educational programming offered
> by the District, it would have to then reconcile those ideas,
> meritorious though they may be, with those pesky State and Federal
> programming and curriculum requirements, which, while often
> difficult to enact, have that MANDATE thing attached to them.
>
> Seeing that PUBLIC EDUCATION is funded by taxpayers and regulated
> by the State and, more than it should be, the Federal Government,
> it would seem that attempts to craft a program offering a little of
> this and a little of that and quite a bit more of the other is
> appropriate for private schools, who only answer to paying
> parents. Public schools, however, are in the unenviable position
> of having to answer to the State and the Feds as well as the
> taxpayers. They're bound by law, by strict state and Federal
> guidelines, by funding (both by legislative fiat and by appeals to
> voters) and by facilities.
>
> Believe it or not, Donovan, this is not a case of Candis Donicht
> and a maverick school board deliberately deciding to annoy Gerry
> Weitz, and neither is it a result of a concentrated effort to
> ignore certain students. On the other hand, if you're willing to
> believe that the current and former board members and current
> administration are all demons incarnate, you won't be persuaded by
> reality -- the same reality the rest of the world has to work with.
>
> keely
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "And these women that you spit on as they try to change their worlds/
> Are immune to your consultations . . . they're quite aware of what
> they're going through"
> (With apologies to David Bowie)
>
> Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 20:09:57 -0700
> From: donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
> To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] campaign contributions
>
>
> Joe Campbell wrote:
>
> "What exactly, Donovan, did you think that the MSD should have worked
> out with Weitz? And for what reason?"
>
> I think they should have worked out better funding of vocational
> education and to reduce discrimination against non-college bound
> students. And for the reason of being fair and ensuring that public
> education provides equal benefit to all students as well as
> providing the students with some job related skills so they can be
> gainfully employed when they graduate high school.
>
> Joe also writes:
>
> "I'll save you the trouble and state your reply: "Since you are a
> teacher, Joe, your opinion is prejudiced and doesn't count." Thank
> God the issue isn't whether or not oxygen is essential to life or
> else we'd all be unable to comment! "
>
> You are incorrect here on three accounts. First, we all breath, so
> breathing would be an equal bias on all people, thus not making it
> a bias. Second, you would be the only person in education to state
> that being a teacher has not impacted their way of thinking. Third,
> and final, since you are philosophy teacher, you're biased in
> thinking that everyone can be a philosophy teacher rather than
> understanding standing some people want to be welders, carpenters,
> constructionists, nurses, drafters, operators, truckers, and
> machinists,--occupations that actually produce public wealth, not
> drain from it.
>
>
> Best,
>
> Donovan
>
>
> Joe Campbell <joekc at adelphia.net> wrote:
> Donovan writes: "It is unfortunate that MSD was unwilling to work
> with Dr. Weitz before he had to take them to court. I would image
> that such a reason has less to do with integrity and more to do
> with the size of the gap differences in opinion."
>
> What exactly, Donovan, did you think that the MSD should have
> worked out with Weitz? And for what reason?
>
> The merit of Weitz’s lawsuit has not yet been decided. Even the
> decision by the Deputy Attorney General, which Weitz and others
> keep circulating, states that the law is ambiguous and subject to
> two distinct interpretations, one of which is consistent with the
> MSD's actions. There is absolutely no reason for the MSD to work
> out a deal with Weitz, either before the election, or at the
> current moment. To do so would have been, or would be,
> irresponsible. The problem lies with the law, not with the MSD --
> and this is true even if Weitz wins since that decision would set
> the legal precedent.
>
> I'll save you the trouble and state your reply: "Since you are a
> teacher, Joe, your opinion is prejudiced and doesn't count."
>
> Thank God the issue isn't whether or not oxygen is essential to
> life or else we'd all be unable to comment!
>
> --
> Joe Campbell
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 22:28:47 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Donovan Arnold
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] campaign contributions
> To: Shirley Ringo , vision2020 at moscow.com
> Message-ID: <981907.401.qm at web38112.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Shirley,
>
> You are without a doubt the best current legislature from Latah,
> and certainly have the most integrity of the three. But I am unable
> to find any vote you cast since 1999 which was in opposition to the
> MSD or IEA agenda or stated positions. If such disagreements exist
> between you and MSD and the IEA as you stated, please be so kind as
> to point out a few for us.
>
> I am glad you are able to work out differences with the MSD before
> taking them to court. It is unfortunate that MSD was unwilling to
> work with Dr. Weitz before he had to take them to court. I would
> image that such a reason has less to do with integrity and more to
> do with the size of the gap differences in opinion.
>
> Again, I would like to hear to what differences between the MSD and
> yourself that you have worked out on behave of the people you
> represent.
>
> Best,
>
> Donovan
>
>
>
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