[Vision2020] women in authority and leadership

[Matt Decker]

Tom,

All this goes to show that the marines are still the best:)

Matt


>From: "Tom Hansen" <thansen at moscow.com>
>To: "'Matt Decker'" <mattd2107 at hotmail.com>, <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] women in authority and leadership
>Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 16:03:00 -0700
>
>Maybe in the Marines 60% of the female troops are impregnated by male 
>troops
>with over-active libidos and too much time on their hands.  NOT IN THE 
>ARMY!
>
>In the Army, fraternization is dealt with swiftly and harshly.  But then, I
>can't speak for the Marine Corps.
>
>Concerning the reduction of lengthy forced marches with 50-pound rucks is
>concerned, all I can base my statements on are emails that I have received
>(over the past couple years) in relation to my meager 20 years of service.
>
>But then, like I said earlier, I can't speak for the Marine Corps.  All I
>seriously can account for is what I have experienced in the Army.
>
>Enough said.
>
>Seeya round town, Moscow.
>
>Tom Hansen
>Moscow, Idaho
>
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>
>- Dale Courtney (March 28, 2007)
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Matt Decker [mailto:mattd2107 at hotmail.com]
>Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 3:52 PM
>To: thansen at moscow.com; vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] women in authority and leadership
>
>Tom,
>
>Believe me, marches do happen and quite often with 50+ and sometimes 100+
>packs. I don't know what stuff you are reading, but I will tell you from
>experience, along with the other items you tried to address. Until Women in
>an infantry unit are ordered not to become pregnant, can pull their own
>weight, as in a 20 mile hike with 50+ pounds, and fraternizing are stopped
>if not minimized, only then will I be for women in the Infantry. It's
>nothing against women it's about the lives of the other members.
>
>Tom I have seen these items way too many times in my feeble four years.
>
>Matt
>
>
> >From: "Tom Hansen" <thansen at moscow.com>
> >To: "'Matt Decker'" <mattd2107 at hotmail.com>, <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] women in authority and leadership
> >Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 06:28:16 -0700
> >
> >Matt -
> >
> >I never stated that "women should be put into combat situations."  The
> >absence of "front lines" in today's wars has pretty much accomplished 
>that.
> >
> >I am simply suggesting that women should be afforded the opportunity to
> >enter combat arms occupational specialties.  There already are female 
>MPs.
> >I'll leave you to research and discover the mission of a line unit 
>military
> >police company.
> >
> >In response to your questions:
> >
> >1)  Infantry training no longer focuses strictly on lengthy forced 
>marches
> >with 50-pound rucks.  Those days disappeared hours after George Sr.'s 
>Iraqi
> >War Part 1.  Don't get me wrong.  The primary method in accomplishing an
> >infantry unit's mission is, has always been, and will always be "Shoot,
> >Move, and Communicate."  However "Shoot, Move, and Communicate" had been
> >modified with "expediently and efficiently", two characteristics a 
>majority
> >of female soldiers are fully capable.  And one other thing, Matt:  The
> >army,
> >and the world around it, has changed since Korea.
> >
> >2)  You stated:
> >
> >"Let's say that a unit consists of 45 people 35 of those are male, I will
> >promise you that 6 of those will be pregnant within six months. With a
> >bunch
> >
> >of horny males jerking off too sears catalogs, what else would you
> >suspect."
> >
> >In addition to your comment being sexist beyond credence, just where do 
>you
> >get your information that states 60% of women in a unit become pregnant?
> >If
> >60% (or, for that matter, any sizeable amount) of the female soldiers in 
>a
> >unit became pregnant primarily because of the overactive libidos of the
> >males in that unit, I don't believe the problem is with the female 
>soldiers
> >as much as it is their chain of command and the adolescently immature 
>males
> >of that unit.
> >
> >3)  Concerning fraternization, you stated:
> >
> >"I have seen way too many times women humping upper ranks to get their
> >goals
> >met, what ever that be."
> >
> >These are serious unfounded allegations you are presenting, Matt.  In my
> >twenty years of service, I have experienced only cases of fraternization.
> >
> >One involved a male CW2 and a female E2.  On a Saturday morning (at about
> >2:00), the MPs were informed that somebody in the barracks had obtained
> >pharmaceutical contraband (illegal drugs).  The company commander decided
> >to
> >lock down the barracks and escort the MPs room to room.  Can you imagine
> >the
> >surprise when they opened the door, entered the room of the PV2, and 
>found
> >her au-natural in the sack with the unit motor officer.  Within the next
> >four months, the PV2 was processed for a general discharge and separated
> >from the service.  The CW2 was discharged "for the good of the service"
> >three years before he was eligible for retirement.  He got off light (as
> >far
> >as the Army is concerned) compared to what his wife had waiting for him
> >stateside.
> >
> >I say this to highlight that fraternization is dealt with severely in the
> >Army.  Fraternization is also punishable under the Uniform code of 
>Military
> >Justice.
> >
> >So . . . you see, Matt, these items are either already "fixed" or on 
>their
> >way to recovery.
> >
> >Seeya round town, Moscow.
> >
> >Tom Hansen
> >Moscow, Idaho
> >
> >"Patriotism is not a short and frenzied outburst of emotion but the
> >tranquil
> >and steady dedication of a lifetime."
> >
> >--Adlai E. Stevenson, Jr.
> >
> >
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