[Vision2020] campaign contributions

Tue Jul 17 21:41:22 PDT 2007

Donovan, I have never, nor would I, begin or end an argument about MSD with the phrase "they failed."They didn't.  They don't.keely"And these women that you spit on as they try to change their worlds/Are immune to your consultations . . . they're quite aware of what they're going through"(With apologies to David Bowie)Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 21:40:03 -0700From: donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.comSubject: RE: [Vision2020] campaign contributionsTo: kjajmix1 at msn.com; vision2020 at moscow.comKeely's argument is that they failed because it was the fault of the state and federal government. Of course why they failed and other school administrations under the same federal and state government restrictions have not is yet to be explained?     Boise High School is ranked in the top 100 high schools in the nation. How are they able to provide a lower tax rate, meet the same federal and state regulations and succeed under the dictatorially anti-education government? Why is Boise, and other Idaho schools so successful and Moscow failing to provide?     I don't think anyone is asking for a miracle, they are just asking for accountability and honesty. Something I think this administration is seriously lacking. Moscow is the "Berkley of Idaho." It is suppose to be the brain trust of the state. It has more Mom's with PhDs per capita than any other city in the county. Yet it cannot beat
 Boise in primary and secondary education? We know that Moscow has every advantage possible, more money per pupil, college educated parents, and a great environment. Yet it is far out paced by Boise. Why is this?     Keely says it is because of a factor, state and federal regulations, that every other school has to implement as well. I say it is because of the MSD Administration that is looking out for some teachers, politicians, and themselves over the welfare of the students.      Best,      Donovan            keely emerinemix <kjajmix1 at msn.com> wrote:      Of course, if MSD
 had "worked things out" with Gerry Weitz, and presumably, then, with every other stakeholder who has had suggestions or concerns about the educational programming offered by the District, it would have to then reconcile those ideas, meritorious though they may be, with those pesky State and Federal programming and curriculum requirements, which, while often difficult to enact, have that MANDATE thing attached to them.Seeing that PUBLIC EDUCATION is funded by taxpayers and regulated by the State and, more than it should be, the Federal Government, it would seem that attempts to craft a program offering a little of this and a little of that and quite a bit more of the other is appropriate for private schools, who only answer to paying parents.  Public schools, however, are in the unenviable position of having to answer to the State and the Feds as well as the taxpayers.  They're bound by law, by strict state and Federal guidelines, by funding (both by
 legislative fiat and by appeals to voters) and by facilities.  Believe it or not, Donovan, this is not a case of Candis Donicht and a maverick school board deliberately deciding to annoy Gerry Weitz, and neither is it a result of a concentrated effort to ignore certain students.  On the other hand, if you're willing to believe that the current and former board members and current administration are all demons incarnate, you won't be persuaded by reality -- the same reality the rest of the world has to work with.keely"And these women that you spit on as they try to change their worlds/Are immune to your consultations . . . they're quite aware of what they're going through"(With apologies to David Bowie)      Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 20:09:57 -0700From:
 donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.comTo: vision2020 at moscow.comSubject: Re: [Vision2020] campaign contributions    Joe Campbell wrote:     "What exactly, Donovan, did you think that the MSD should have workedout with Weitz? And for what reason?"     I think they should have worked out better funding of vocational education and to reduce discrimination against non-college bound students. And for the reason of being fair and ensuring that public education provides equal benefit to all students as well as providing the students with some job related skills so they can be gainfully employed when they graduate high school.     Joe also writes:     "I'll save you the trouble and state your reply: "Since you are a teacher, Joe, your
 opinion is prejudiced and doesn't count." Thank God the issue isn't whether or not oxygen is essential to life or else we'd all be unable to comment! "     You are incorrect here on three accounts. First, we all breath, so breathing would be an equal bias on all people, thus not making it a bias. Second, you would be the only person in education to state that being a teacher has not impacted their way of thinking. Third, and final, since you are philosophy teacher, you're biased in thinking that everyone can be a philosophy teacher rather than understanding standing some people want to be welders, carpenters, constructionists, nurses, drafters, operators, truckers, and machinists,--occupations that actually produce public wealth, not drain from it.      Best,     DonovanJoe Campbell <joekc at adelphia.net> wrote:  Donovan writes: "It is unfortunate that MSD was unwilling to work with Dr. Weitz before he had to take them to court. I would image that such a reason has less to do with integrity and more to do with the size of the gap differences in opinion."What exactly, Donovan, did you think that the MSD should have worked out with Weitz? And for what reason?The merit of Weitzâ€™s lawsuit has not yet been decided. Even the decision by the Deputy Attorney General, which Weitz and others keep circulating, states that the law is ambiguous and subject to two distinct interpretations, one of which is consistent with the MSD's actions. There is absolutely no reason for the MSD to work out a deal with Weitz, either before the election, or at the current moment. To do so would have been, or would be, irresponsible. The problem lies with the law, not with the MSD -- and this is
 true even if Weitz wins since that decision would set the legal precedent.I'll save you the trouble and state your reply: "Since you are a teacher, Joe, your opinion is prejudiced and doesn't count." Thank God the issue isn't whether or not oxygen is essential to life or else we'd all be unable to comment! --Joe Campbell------------------------------Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 22:28:47 -0700 (PDT)From: Donovan Arnold Subject: Re: [Vision2020] campaign contributionsTo: Shirley Ringo , vision2020 at moscow.comMessage-ID: <981907.401.qm at web38112.mail.mud.yahoo.com>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"Shirley,You are without a doubt the best current legislature from Latah, and certainly have the most integrity of the three. But I am unable to find any vote you cast since 1999 which was in opposition to the MSD or IEA agenda or stated positions. If such disagreements exist between you and MSD
 and the IEA as you stated, please be so kind as to point out a few for us.I am glad you are able to work out differences with the MSD before taking them to court. It is unfortunate that MSD was unwilling to work with Dr. Weitz before he had to take them to court. I would image that such a reason has less to do with integrity and more to do with the size of the gap differences in opinion. Again, I would like to hear to what differences between the MSD and yourself that you have worked out on behave of the people you represent. Best,Donovan=======================================================List services made available by First Step Internet, serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994. http://www.fsr.net mailto:Vision2020 at moscow.com=======================================================      Never miss an email again!Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. Check it out.    Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles.Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center.    PC Magazine’s 2007 editors’ choice for best web mail—award-winning Windows Live Hotmail. Check it out!  
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