[Vision2020] "Soft on Crime" Bush Goes Against His OwnJust-UsDepartment

[lfalen]

Tom
Thanks for the clarification. I am glad that you don't favor full pardons for criminal acts.
Roger
-----Original message-----
From: "Tom Hansen" thansen at moscow.com
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 12:08:44 -0700
To: "'lfalen'" lfalen at turbonet.com,  nickgier at adelphia.net, vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: RE: [Vision2020] "Soft on Crime" Bush Goes Against His OwnJust-UsDepartment

> No, Mr. Falen.  You can twist, mangle and spin all you want.  That is NOT
> what I am suggesting.
> 
> If you re-read my posting, I said:
> 
> "The most self-serving thing that Bush could have done, concerning Scooter
> Libby, he did."
> 
> It is my belief that if Libby had nothing damaging to say, Bush would have
> provided him a full pardon.
> 
> The American people will NEVER know the truth now, will we? 
> 
> Seeya round town, Moscow.
> 
> Tom Hansen
> Moscow, Idaho
> 
> "We're a town of about 23,000 with 10,000 college students. The college
> students are not very active in local elections (thank goodness!)."
> 
> - Dale Courtney (March 28, 2007)
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: lfalen [mailto:lfalen at turbonet.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 12:00 PM
> To: Tom Hansen; nickgier at adelphia.net; vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: RE: [Vision2020] "Soft on Crime" Bush Goes Against His
> OwnJust-UsDepartment
> 
> Tom 
> Are you saying that you favor full pardons for those that have committed
> crimes?  Is that why you like Clinton?
> 
> Roger
> -----Original message-----
> From: "Tom Hansen" thansen at moscow.com
> Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 11:36:05 -0700
> To: "'lfalen'" lfalen at turbonet.com,  nickgier at adelphia.net,
> vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: RE: [Vision2020] "Soft on Crime" Bush Goes Against His
> OwnJust-UsDepartment
> 
> > Oh, contraire, Mr. Falen -
> > 
> > The most self-serving thing that Bush could have done, concerning Scooter
> > Libby, he did.
> > 
> > Since Bush merely commuted the sentence, Libby is still considered to have
> > been convicted.  As such, if Mr. Libby were EVER called before a senate
> > subcommittee, he could simply wrap himself in the fifth amendment and not
> > say a thing.
> > 
> > Had Bush pardoned Libby, the fifth amendment privilege would not be
> > available to him and he (Libby) would be forced to testify.
> > 
> > Seeya round town, Moscow.
> > 
> > Tom Hansen
> > Moscow, Idaho
> > 
> > "We're a town of about 23,000 with 10,000 college students. The college
> > students are not very active in local elections (thank goodness!)."
> > 
> > - Dale Courtney (March 28, 2007)
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > 
> > From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
> > On Behalf Of lfalen
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 10:42 AM
> > To: nickgier at adelphia.net; vision2020 at moscow.com
> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] "Soft on Crime" Bush Goes Against His
> > OwnJust-UsDepartment
> > 
> > Nick
> > They should be treated the same. It does not make a lot os sence to me to
> > impose jail time for white collar crime. community service or stiff
> monitary
> > fines would be better.
> > Roger
> > -----Original message-----
> > From: nickgier at adelphia.net
> > Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2007 10:19:51 -0700
> > To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> > Subject: [Vision2020] "Soft on Crime" Bush Goes Against His Own
> > Just-UsDepartment
> > 
> > > Excerpted from NYTimes article, 7/4/07
> > > 
> > > Mr. Bush repeated yesterday that he had found Mr. Libby's punishment to
> be
> > too severe. But experts in federal sentencing law said a sentence of 30
> > months for lying and obstruction was consistent with the tough sentences
> > routinely meted out by the federal system.
> > > 
> > > "On what legal basis could he have reached that result?" asked Frank O.
> > Bowman III, an authority on federal sentencing who teaches law at the
> > University of Missouri-Columbia, said of the commutation. "There is no
> legal
> > basis."
> > > 
> > > Nor is there a reason to think that the Justice Department has changed
> its
> > position about the sentencing system generally. Indeed, Attorney General
> > Alberto R. Gonzales said last month that the department would push for
> > legislation making federal sentences tougher and less flexible.
> > > 
> > > Similarly, in a case decided two weeks ago by the United States Supreme
> > Court and widely discussed by legal specialists in light of the Libby
> case,
> > the Justice Department persuaded the court to affirm the 33-month sentence
> > of a defendant whose case closely resembled that against Mr. Libby. The
> > defendant, Victor A. Rita, was, like Mr. Libby, convicted of perjury,
> making
> > false statements to federal agents and obstruction of justice.Mr. Rita has
> > performed extensive government service, just as Mr. Libby has. Mr. Rita
> > served in the armed forces for more than 25 years, receiving 35
> > commendations, awards and medals. Like Mr. Libby, Mr. Rita had no criminal
> > history for purposes of the federal sentencing guidelines.
> > > 
> > > 
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