[Vision2020] "Soft on Crime" Bush Goes Against His OwnJust-UsDepartment

[Tom Hansen]

No, Mr. Falen.  You can twist, mangle and spin all you want.  That is NOT
what I am suggesting.

If you re-read my posting, I said:

"The most self-serving thing that Bush could have done, concerning Scooter
Libby, he did."

It is my belief that if Libby had nothing damaging to say, Bush would have
provided him a full pardon.

The American people will NEVER know the truth now, will we? 

Seeya round town, Moscow.

Tom Hansen
Moscow, Idaho

"We're a town of about 23,000 with 10,000 college students. The college
students are not very active in local elections (thank goodness!)."

- Dale Courtney (March 28, 2007)

-----Original Message-----
From: lfalen [mailto:lfalen at turbonet.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 12:00 PM
To: Tom Hansen; nickgier at adelphia.net; vision2020 at moscow.com
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OwnJust-UsDepartment

Tom 
Are you saying that you favor full pardons for those that have committed
crimes?  Is that why you like Clinton?

Roger
-----Original message-----
From: "Tom Hansen" thansen at moscow.com
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 11:36:05 -0700
To: "'lfalen'" lfalen at turbonet.com,  nickgier at adelphia.net,
vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: RE: [Vision2020] "Soft on Crime" Bush Goes Against His
OwnJust-UsDepartment

> Oh, contraire, Mr. Falen -
> 
> The most self-serving thing that Bush could have done, concerning Scooter
> Libby, he did.
> 
> Since Bush merely commuted the sentence, Libby is still considered to have
> been convicted.  As such, if Mr. Libby were EVER called before a senate
> subcommittee, he could simply wrap himself in the fifth amendment and not
> say a thing.
> 
> Had Bush pardoned Libby, the fifth amendment privilege would not be
> available to him and he (Libby) would be forced to testify.
> 
> Seeya round town, Moscow.
> 
> Tom Hansen
> Moscow, Idaho
> 
> "We're a town of about 23,000 with 10,000 college students. The college
> students are not very active in local elections (thank goodness!)."
> 
> - Dale Courtney (March 28, 2007)
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> 
> From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
> On Behalf Of lfalen
> Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 10:42 AM
> To: nickgier at adelphia.net; vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] "Soft on Crime" Bush Goes Against His
> OwnJust-UsDepartment
> 
> Nick
> They should be treated the same. It does not make a lot os sence to me to
> impose jail time for white collar crime. community service or stiff
monitary
> fines would be better.
> Roger
> -----Original message-----
> From: nickgier at adelphia.net
> Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2007 10:19:51 -0700
> To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: [Vision2020] "Soft on Crime" Bush Goes Against His Own
> Just-UsDepartment
> 
> > Excerpted from NYTimes article, 7/4/07
> > 
> > Mr. Bush repeated yesterday that he had found Mr. Libby's punishment to
be
> too severe. But experts in federal sentencing law said a sentence of 30
> months for lying and obstruction was consistent with the tough sentences
> routinely meted out by the federal system.
> > 
> > "On what legal basis could he have reached that result?" asked Frank O.
> Bowman III, an authority on federal sentencing who teaches law at the
> University of Missouri-Columbia, said of the commutation. "There is no
legal
> basis."
> > 
> > Nor is there a reason to think that the Justice Department has changed
its
> position about the sentencing system generally. Indeed, Attorney General
> Alberto R. Gonzales said last month that the department would push for
> legislation making federal sentences tougher and less flexible.
> > 
> > Similarly, in a case decided two weeks ago by the United States Supreme
> Court and widely discussed by legal specialists in light of the Libby
case,
> the Justice Department persuaded the court to affirm the 33-month sentence
> of a defendant whose case closely resembled that against Mr. Libby. The
> defendant, Victor A. Rita, was, like Mr. Libby, convicted of perjury,
making
> false statements to federal agents and obstruction of justice.Mr. Rita has
> performed extensive government service, just as Mr. Libby has. Mr. Rita
> served in the armed forces for more than 25 years, receiving 35
> commendations, awards and medals. Like Mr. Libby, Mr. Rita had no criminal
> history for purposes of the federal sentencing guidelines.
> > 
> > 
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