[Vision2020] [Spam 5.64] Re: Human Induced Global Warming Skeptics Keep Up TheHeat!

[lfalen]

Good post Paul. I agree with a lot of what you say.
Roger
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From: Paul Rumelhart godshatter at yahoo.com
Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 19:15:02 -0700
To: Vision 2020 vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: [Spam 5.64] Re: [Vision2020] Human Induced Global Warming Skeptics Keep Up TheHeat!

> Ok, a couple of things.  First, I haven't read any of the documents on 
> the site.  Second, I don't know if you are lumping me in with the "human 
> induced global warming skeptics", but I would describe myself as a 
> "global warming will slap your sister, cause your hair to fall out, and 
> spit in your chicken soup" type of skeptic.  I think the alarmist aspect 
> of this is coloring the debate too much.  So, do humans help induce 
> global warming?  Yes.  I'm breathing out CO2 as we speak.  Are we 
> dumping an amazing amount of pollution of all types, CO2 included, into 
> the air?  Yes.  Should we be writing our wills?  No.  At least, not yet.
> 
> As I've said before, you shouldn't be buying a Hummer tomorrow not 
> because we're all going to fry in the heat, but because they output 
> pollution into the air that is affecting people's health today, because 
> the oil is going to run out sooner rather than later and dump the 
> economy on it's ass, and because we have to prop up unstable governments 
> like Iraq.  Oh, and Canada.
> 
> There appear to be processes in place to scrub the CO2 out of the air 
> once we stop putting so much of it up there.  That will probably follow 
> the collapse of the free world instead of the invention of a popular 
> clean energy source, but it will happen.  I'm sure that we will add our 
> considerable ingenuity to this problem and actually make some progress 
> on it as soon as Washington, DC is under water.
> 
> As for this being a "free market" libertarian nightmare, I can see 
> that.  I think "free market" is analogous to "let me rob you blind" a 
> lot of the time.  I like their stance on personal liberties, but I think 
> they need to take a few more economics classes.  Or just read the paper 
> or watch advertisements on TV a little more.
> 
> You can't deny that politics is influencing the global warming debate on 
> all sides.  That, in my opinion, is a direct consequence of the alarmist 
> aspect of the topic.  Granted, if it really is as bad as they say, we 
> need to get started on the solutions now.  However, I don't know that we 
> know that it's all that bad.  It's a complicated topic, with too many 
> variables to model easily.  Sure, the glaciers are melting.  How much of 
> that has to do with the fact that we are coming out of an ice age?  How 
> much effect does a few decades of higher CO2 levels have?  How much does 
> the extra moisture in the air affect things?  How many processes do we 
> have yet to discover that help or hinder global warming?  It could very 
> well be as bad as they say, but it's a hard decision to make to 
> radically change our quality of life when it may not be needed in the 
> end.  If it was an asteroid on collision with the Earth, then you'd know 
> it was a problem that had to be fixed now.
> 
> Paul
> 
> Ted Moffett wrote:
> > All:
> >
> > That subject line is a joke, but I'm not laughing.
> >  
> > I saw a sponsored link to "The Heartland Institute," with a lot of 
> > global warming skeptic claims, on my gmail Google account, so I 
> > investigated.  "Sponsored" means they are paying to have the link 
> > featured prominently, of course.  It appears they have a mountain of 
> > evidence that the thousands of scientists warning of serious human 
> > induced global warming are off in la, la land!  And what was really 
> > amazing was that they are a "free market" libertarian institute!  
> > Well, OK, this is not so amazing.  This is just what you would 
> > expect.  As Eugene Linden, author of "The Winds of Change," said, 
> > "Human caused global warming is a libertarian nightmare."  
> >  
> > For the human induced global warming skeptics on Vision2020, surveying 
> > this info might be interesting.  Maybe they are right?! 
> >  
> > I'm buying a Hummer tomorrow and driving coast to coast as often as 
> > possible for the shear fun and joy of burning fossil fuels!  Yee-Haw!  
> > Now where's my own personal Middle East oil well?  Let's free up those 
> > markets!
> >  
> > This website will reveal what biased politically tainted money 
> > corrupted scientific idiots all those scientists warning of human 
> > induced global warming really are:
> >  
> > http://www.heartland.org/PolicyBotTopic.cfm?artTopic=704
> >  
> > ----
> > Ted Moffett
> >  
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