[Vision2020] Mixed news for Wolves
Sunil Ramalingam
sunilramalingam at hotmail.com
Wed Jan 31 17:14:58 PST 2007
It never occurred to me that vultures kill cattle until I did the search. I
would guess - and it's no more than that - that if it happens in Virginia,
it could happen here too.
I also found links to articles that medications given to cattle are killing
vultures, or at least suspected of doing so, so I figure the cows are coming
out ahead.
Sunil
>From: lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com>
>Reply-To: lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com>
>To: "Sunil Ramalingam" <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>,
>vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Mixed news for Wolves
>Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 17:01:09 -0800
>
>Thanks for the information Sunil. I do not dispute the information on
>vultures as presented here. However I would point out that it is in
>Virginia and is an unusual case. It is not in the Western U.S. They can
>kill weakened or incapacitated livestock, but this would be rare.
>
>Roger
>-----Original message-----
>From: "Sunil Ramalingam" sunilramalingam at hotmail.com
>Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 17:14:39 -0800
>To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Mixed news for Wolves
>
> > I just googled 'vultures killing cattle' and came up with this:
> >
> > http://www.ext.vt.edu/pubs/livestock/410-030/410-030.html
> >
> > and this:
> >
> > >
> > Scroll down to vultures and enjoy. Whodathunkit?
> >
> > Sunil
> >
> >
> > >From: lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com>
> > >Reply-To: lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com>
> > >To: "Mark Solomon" <msolomon at moscow.com>, "Sunil Ramalingam"
> > ><sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>, vision2020 at moscow.com
> > >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Mixed news for Wolves
> > >Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 15:41:49 -0800
> > >
> > >Mark
> > >Some of your statements are ture and some can be questioned. The
>government
> > >does pay for verified losses. These things are hard to verify. As you
>said
> > >there has been one payment in Latah county. The loss in the Soutwick
>area
> > >has been considerably grater than that. In any case this is an
>unnecessary
> > >expense.To attribute losses to vultures is ridiculous. vultures feed on
> > >carcasses but do not kill any cattle. I have seen them eating on
>something
> > >that is still barely alive. But they were not the cause of death to a
> > >health animal. Think about the size of a vulture and the size of a
>cow.
> > >Owls and Eagles will prey on small rodents and cats, but not on cattle.
> > >
> > >Roger
> > >-----Original message-----
> > >From: Mark Solomon msolomon at moscow.com
> > >Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 16:23:47 -0800
> > >To: lfalen lfalen at turbonet.com, "Sunil Ramalingam"
> > >sunilramalingam at hotmail.com, vision2020 at moscow.com
> > >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Mixed news for Wolves
> > >
> > > > For those who may not be aware of it, Defenders of Wildlife
>maintains
> > > > a livestock predation fund to compensate any rancher who Fish and
> > > > Wildlife Service says has lost stock to wolves. According to
> > > > information on their website, the fund has made 412 payments
>totaling
> > > > $536,985 to cover the loss of 514 cows, 1421 sheep and 57 "other
> > > > animals" from 1987 to 2005. One payment for cattle is listed for
> > > > Latah County.
> > > >
> > > > The following is from the Defenders website:
> > > > http://www.defenders.org/wildlife/new/wolves/loss.html
> > > >
> > > > * In the continental U.S., health issues such as respiratory
> > > > problems, digestive problems, calving complications and disease were
> > > > overwhelmingly the most significant causes of cattle death in 2005.
> > > >
> > > > * Only 0.11% of all cattle losses were due to wolf predation in
> > >2005.
> > > >
> > > > * Coyotes killed more than 22 times more cattle than wolves
> > > > killed that year.
> > > >
> > > > * Domestic dogs killed almost 5 times as many cattle, and
> > > > vultures killed almost twice as many cattle as wolves did in 2005.
> > > >
> > > > * Theft was responsible for almost 5 times as many cattle
>losses
> > > > as were lost by wolf predation.
> > > >
> > > > * Predation by coyotes was the largest cause of sheep loss in
> > > > 2005, accounting for 23% of all losses, followed by health problems
>&
> > > > weather-related issues.
> > > >
> > > > * In states with wolf populations, an average of less than 2.5%
> > > > of sheep loss was due to predation by wolves in 2005.
> > > >
> > > > I'm not going to argue that there isn't a traumatic loss when the
> > > > animals you've raised are killed by a wolf, but the economic loss is
> > > > minimized if not zeroed out by the compensation fund. Plus, when you
> > > > look at the causes of livestock loss listed above, wolves are way
> > > > down the list.
> > > >
> > > > Mark
> > > >
> > > > At 3:03 PM -0800 1/31/07, lfalen wrote:
> > > > >I don't know that they have said that directly, but the loss of
> > > > >livestock to wolves does not seem to be of a concern or is
> > > > >minimized. That is the same thing.
> > > > >
> > > > >Roger
> > > > >-----Original message-----
> > > > >From: "Sunil Ramalingam" sunilramalingam at hotmail.com
> > > > >Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 15:37:08 -0800
> > > > >To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> > > > >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Mixed news for Wolves
> > > > >
> > > > >> Roger,
> > > > >>
> > > > >> How many people have said here they don't care about the
>livelihood
> > >of
> > > > >> livestock producers?
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Sunil
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> >From: lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com>
> > > > >> >Reply-To: lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com>
> > > > >> >To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> > > > >> >Subject: [Vision2020] Mixed news for Wolves
> > > > >> >Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 14:01:20 -0800
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >Will
> > > > >> > I am mostly in agreement with your statements on a balance in
>the
> > > > >> >ecosystem. however I do not think that killing off old cow elk
>has
> > >anything
> > > > >> >to do with the productive of young ones. One thing that is
>missing
> > >is the
> > > > >> >disregard of the effects on livestock. I understand that you
>folks
> > >do not
> > > > >> >care about the lively hood of livestock producers, which is why
>you
> > >do not
> > > > >> >take this into consideration or downgrade it. I do not have a
> > >problem with
> > > > >> >maintaining some wolves, but they need to be controlled. They
>are
> > >much more
> > > > >> >dangerous than coyotes. I am a believer in multiple use. This
> > >includes
> > > > >> >everyone, including livestock producers. I am a supporter of
>The
> > >Nature
> > > > >> >conservancy. I used to be a member of the Audubon Society, but
> > >their views
> > > > >> >have became too one side. The Sierra Club has always ben too
> > >radical for
> > > > >> >me. As an aside, I was raised in the middle of what is called
>the
> > >Owyhee
> > > > >> >Initiative. Our place was about 50 miles from Jordan Valley,
>Oregon
> > >and 80
> > > > >> >miles from Bruneau, Idaho. I supp!
> > > > >> > ort the
> > > > >> >Owyhee Imitative as do most of my former neighbors that still
>live
> > >there.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >Roger
> > > > >> >
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