[Vision2020] Doug Wilson Interview

Mon Jan 29 10:07:08 PST 2007

I didn,t think that the mushroom story was as bad as a lot of things that are posted here. This may be because I like the western poem recited by Michael Martin Murphy that is in the same vain.

Roger
-----Original message-----
From: "david sarff" davesway at hotmail.com
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 01:42:57 -0800
To: starbliss at gmail.com,  ophite at gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Doug Wilson Interview

> I second that.
> When the action of measurement itself affects what is measured. It’s and art 
> to make compensation. Assumption sneaks right in there. These eventually 
> make their way into legend, as with the Coyote stories of indigenous folk.
> Yes, I think Wayne hits too hard and sometimes seemingly from out of no 
> place. But then,  would point the same finger at his usual point of focus.
> If I remember correctly Andreas had serious difficulty with the imagery that 
> Wayne used and referred to someone (Doug F.?) as being eaten and then 
> becoming a Mushroom.
> That may have come across as Sociopathic to Andreas and a great many others. 
> I saw that as an aggressive warning about what Doug ? was involved in and 
> not as a aggressive threat against a person by Wayne. There is a difference. 
> But could understand how the message could be mistaken.  Nice pictures 
> though.
> One doe’s not have to agree with the message to see that Wayne’s garbage can 
> graphic could be easily be marketable political lampooning.
> Is it over the top? By my measure not anymore so than who he contends with.
> We all do need to try to uphold as high standard as we each can.
> Dave
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >
> >Don't be quiet!  I've enjoyed your intelligent contributions to
> >Vision2020...
> >
> >I just don't like people being called "nut jobs."  I already gave a brief
> >explanation why...
> >
> >Have I ever said something like this?  Yes, numerous times.  But I still
> >think it is wrong, and I try to avoid viewing people this way...
> >
> >Everyone has their story to tell.  When viewing the world through someones
> >unique life history combined with their Weltanschauung, what seems "crazy"
> >is often understandable:
> >
> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_view#Religious_worldviews
> >
> >Though sometimes I have thought Wayne's posts were over the line, or
> >annoying in one way or another, I have usually found he gives a thoughtful
> >coherent account of his ideas.
> >
> >I suppose some of his posts have also been "pugilistic," as you put it.
> >.
> >Ted Moffett
> >
> >
> >On 1/25/07, Andreas Schou <ophite at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>On 1/25/07, Ted Moffett <starbliss at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Andreas et. al.
> >> >
> >> > Why make a personalized derogatory attack on Wayne, when responding to
> >> > content I authored to engage Chas in discussion on Wilson's interview?
> >> > Wayne's mental health was not specifically a part of that discussion in
> >>that
> >> > post, nor do I think it relevant to the general discussion of Wilson's
> >> > interview, nor do I think that you are qualified to make an assessment
> >> > regarding Wayne's mental health on a public list serve, or privately,
> >>for
> >> > that matter.
> >> >
> >> > I'd rather not have my Vision2020 post content linked with a 
> >>declaration
> >> > that someone is a "nut job," regardless of their mental health or the
> >>lack
> >> > thereof.  I'd rather not read any Vision2020 posts that declare anyone
> >>to be
> >> > a "nut job," regardless of what behavior they are engaging in that 
> >>might
> >> > suggest mental illness.
> >> >
> >> > If you don't have the presence of mind to first check whether you are
> >> > sending a private or list serve message before calling someone a "nut
> >>job"
> >> > in an e-mail, an insulting and potentially very hurtful and demeaning
> >> > statement, that in an ideal world would never be uttered, especially if
> >> > aimed at someone who really does have a mental illness, you might
> >>reconsider
> >> > the wisdom of your psychoanalysis of Wayne's psyche, in light of your
> >>own
> >> > shortcomings.
> >> >
> >> > Ted Moffett
> >>
> >>Ted --
> >>
> >>I've never been unclear that I'm uncomfortable with people trying to
> >>enforce real, life-altering consequences against people for
> >>disagreeing with them on the Internet. Wayne's done that, and I
> >>consider it a pretty important line to have crossed, even against
> >>people whom I don't particularly care for, and whom I have never been
> >>unclear that I don't particularly care for. Now, Wayne tells me he has
> >>a good explanation for this -- but I'm not sure what it would be.
> >>
> >>I've also got to say that I've Sista Souljah'd Wayne a little
> >>unfairly: Dale's attempt to get Tom fired, and Doug's below-the-belt
> >>sniping at J Ford cross exactly the same line in exactly the same way.
> >>The fact that I work in a somewhat obscure sector and that very few
> >>people here actually know me has, I think, prevented people from going
> >>after me the saem way, but I've got a fairly long written record.
> >>
> >>I've always been a, well, pugilistic participant in the dialog here.
> >>I'll take credit for that. But I'd like to think that I always try to
> >>stick to the Marquis of Queensbury rules
> >>
> >>All of this, though, is just beating around the bush; trying to avoid
> >>or qualify an apology, which, frankly, is what I owe Wayne. His font
> >>annoys me, but I've never been known to come to blows over typography
> >>before. And I'm a little more sensitive to what I feel he does wrong
> >>because we are effectively on the same side. Still, I've tried to play
> >>Internet Police and made a mess of it, exacerbating exactly what I was
> >>complaining about. I'll be quiet now.
> >>
> >>-- ACS
> >>
> 
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