[Vision2020] Do the Math

Mon Jan 22 13:28:20 PST 2007

Not just that, but a determination of the process of his "data 
gathering"...in person, to whomever.... should be done.  Giving a paper 
report to anyone is very simple to make up.

J  :]

>From: "david sarff" <davesway at hotmail.com>
>To: donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com, godshatter at yahoo.com, 
>vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Do the Math
>Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 20:12:10 +0000
>
>Hi Donovan,
>I agree with not looting the treasury. If Dale has a legitimate issue and 
>facts he needs to at least show that he has followed a chain of command 
>with complaint processes and show acceptance or denial in those circles.
>Dave
>
>
>>>
>>David,
>>
>>   What do you expect to see as evidence? Just curious. The University 
>>does not monitor every computer on campus, it would not happen. Dale has 
>>offered to send anyone a copy of his blog log in file so you can see for 
>>yourself. If a computer data log is not evidence, and an email indicating 
>>that log is not evidence, and the person admitted to visiting that site, 
>>then there can never be evidence of anyone visiting website.
>>
>>   It is entirely possible that someone could open a window for a website 
>>and keep it open all day while working on their computer. Any ten year old 
>>can do that. So it is not an extraordinary claim.
>>
>>   You can draw whatever conclusions you want based on the evidence. To 
>>me, someone making this up and fabricating 378 pages of false accessing 
>>files, and finding somebody's IP address at home and work, just to prove 
>>someone was visiting their website seems a bit far fetched to me.
>>
>>   Best,
>>
>>   Donovan
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>david sarff <davesway at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>Dale’s info is suspect. Tom is acting coy.
>>No way Tom can waste the level of cash that Dale insinuates and not caught
>>hell by now.
>>Unless Dale can present a clean accusation. There is nothing to this story 
>>.
>>Dave
>>
>>
>> >Paul,
>> >
>> > Your automatic refresh theory is a good one. Unfortunately, if it did,
>> >the log would show a refreshing of the page every 5, 10, 15, 30, 60, 
>>etc.
>> >minutes. The log shows random times, not every exact few minutes from 
>>the
>> >original log in.
>> >
>> > I doubt someone would keep the page open intentionally all day 
>>everyday,
>> >and manually hit refresh randomly throughout the day. Even if someone 
>>did,
>> >it would indicate a constant monitoring of the blog rather than working.
>> >Why keep refreshing a page you are not watching? 30,000+ file accesses 
>>is
>> >excessive, I know, that is why it was brought up. I know most people 
>>surf
>> >the net at work once in a while, but this a serious abuse of the 
>>privilege,
>> >IMHO.
>> >
>> > Thanks for the alternative theory though.
>> >
>> > Donovan
>> >
>> >Paul Rumelhart wrote:
>> > Donovan Arnold wrote:
>> >
>> > > Dale did not say Tom visited his blog 31,000 times. Dale said his
>> > > computer accessed 31,000 files in the last year. There is a
>> > > difference. Each time you visit a site, one to ten files can open up
>> > > at the same time. A photo for example can count as one file. It is
>> > > easy to determine the number of visits by looking at the time of the
>> > > access. If you have have 2 files accessed at the same time, that 
>>would
>> > > be one visit.
>> > >
>> > > Someone on that computer visits the Dale's Blog several times most
>> > > days of the week, as many as twenty or thirty times in a seven hour
>> > > period between 7:30 am and 2:30 pm.
>> > >
>> > > How can access that many files? Let's do that math;
>> > >
>> > > 20 visits a day, 5 times a week equals 100 visits a week. If each
>> > > visit opened 7 files (including photos and graphs) that would be 700
>> > > files opened in one week, over 46 weeks of work in the year, that
>> > > would equals 32,200 accesses.
>> > >
>> > > This pretty much is the habit of logging in to Dale's blog from that
>> > > IP address if you look at the log of the file as I have.
>> > >
>> > > If a person were to spend their entire six hour shift monitoring a
>> > > Blog, they could hit a site 20 times in a day.
>> > >
>> > > What is the point of this? The point is that someone on the 
>>taxpayer's
>> > > dime is monitoring a non related site, and is doing so against UI
>> > > policy. May I remind people also, that this is just one website being
>> > > accessed by that computer. Is it possible this same computer is going
>> > > to other sites as well during the day on the taxpayer's dime?
>> > >
>> > > I as a taxpayer, don't want to be paying someone to monitor Dale's
>> > > Blog. What a waste of UI resources.
>> > >
>> > > Donovan
>> >
>> >
>> >If he simply loads the page, looks for a new blog entry, and leaves his
>> >browser open, then it's not that bad. He just hits "refresh" every so
>> >often, possibly between doing other things. Just refresh, read a new
>> >comment or two, then come back to it in a half-hour or so. It's also
>> >possible he's using RSS feeds if the blog provides them, so it's not
>> >necessarily clear that he is even reading them at the times they are
>> >accessed. His RSS reader might be configured to check for new content
>> >on a regular interval.
>> >
>> >If he is spending a significant amount of time reading the blog 20 times
>> >a day every day instead of doing his work, then you may have a point.
>> >But let's not jump to conclusions just yet.
>> >
>> >Paul
>> >
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