[Vision2020] Wolves

[Art Deco]

I'm sorry, but the "play dead" advice was for only the case when attacked by 
a grizzly bear.  I'm sorry that the sentence sequence did not make that 
clear.

W.
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From: "lfalen" <lfalen at turbonet.com>
To: "Art Deco" <deco at moscow.com>; "Vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 10:59 AM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Wolves


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> Your advice is mostly good, but I don't Know that I would want to play 
> dead. I was charged by a dog once . I was out in the open and there was no 
> place I could run to get away from him. I ran toward the dog yelling. It 
> bluffed him out and he ran. The worst thing can do is run.
> -----Original message-----
> From: "Art Deco" deco at moscow.com
> Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 08:40:47 -0800
> To: "Vision 2020" vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Wolves
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>> This note may not be necessary, but:
>>
>> Whenever menaced or watched by a nonhuman predator, do not run!*  When a 
>> possible prey runs from a predator, then it becomes actual prey in the 
>> eyes of the predator.  If attacked, except by a grizzly bear, make your 
>> size larger (not unlike a house cat when attacked) and fight back.  With 
>> grizzlies, some times they charge, then veer off at the last second and 
>> keep on moving.  If they attack, the best chance for survival is to curl 
>> up and play dead.
>>
>> Yes, wolves, cougars, bears, etc do on rare occasions attack and kill 
>> humans, but not as often as some breeds of domestic dogs and certainly 
>> not nearly as often as other humans.  Bovine bulls also attack and kill 
>> humans.  When their young are threatened, their food supply in lean times 
>> are threatened, when tormented, or when in the rut, even cervine beasts 
>> can attack and occasionally kill -- the most common examples are persons 
>> attacked by elk or moose mothers with young, male elk or moose in the 
>> rut,  moose in the winter protecting a food supply, and elk/moose just 
>> tormented/chased by a snowmobile or ATV.  (In the latter case, I always 
>> root for the elk/moose.)
>>
>> Alertness and intelligent behavior can reduce the probability of being 
>> attacked by a predator or a non-predator protecting something.
>>
>> W.
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>> *Even a lumbering black bear can outrun the fastest horse over short 
>> distances.
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: Kai Eiselein
>> To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 10:32 PM
>> Subject: [Vision2020] Wolves
>>
>>
>> Wolves can and do attack humans on occasion.
>> Last July a woman was attacked at a campground in Alaska.
>> In 2000, also in Alaska a 9-year-old boy was attacked, that same year a 
>> 23 year old male was attacked in BC.
>> I have a copy of a photo of a dog that was killed and eaten by wolves in 
>> Clearwater County. Its pretty grisly.
>> There has been at least one verified case of wolves killing livestock 
>> near Kendrick, my brother in law was the farmer affected.
>> There have been reports of wolf sightings near Troy, Deary and Bovill. I 
>> hope to one day be able to get out to one of the areas to get 
>> photographic evidence. (Yeah, I've got a really big lens that should do 
>> the trick)
>> I saw what appeared to be a wolf early one morning between Kendrick and 
>> Troy about 4 years ago. Unfortunately, I wasn't able to grab my camera 
>> fast enough to document it.
>> Wolves ARE dangerous animals and attacks ARE rare. I don't believe they 
>> are any more or less dangerous than bears or cougars/pumas/mountain 
>> lions.
>> With that said, they ARE very intelligent pack hunters. I fear that if 
>> they remain protected they will lose their fear of humans and if that 
>> happens.... well, we've seen the results of that with bears and cougars.
>> Therefore, I believe that managed hunting would help keep them fearful of 
>> humans, thus reducing the chances of human/wolf encounters.
>> I'm sure a number of V2020ers have been nipped by a dog. It smarts a bit. 
>> Now imagine having  those teeth sink into your flesh and rip it apart. 
>> Its not pretty and it hurts like hell.
>> I've been bitten four times bad enough to require 
>> stitches/hospitlization. (Left upper arm, my right wrist, my upper lip, 
>> the right side of my jaw and the worst one of all, I had my left ear 
>> nearly bitten off.) No, I'm not afraid of dogs.
>> I'd be willing to show the scars, just ask if you see me.
>> I can only imagine what it what it would be like to be torn into by a 
>> wolf and I'd rather no one, especially a child, find out.
>> To answer Tom Ivie's question: Yes coyotes will mate with dogs. One of my 
>> parents' shepherd bitches escaped her kennel while in heat and gave birth 
>> to a litter of coyote/shepherd pups. We kept one puppy that I really 
>> liked because he was all grey (Hence the name Grey One). He was tame, and 
>> very protective of me. But he was not, by any means, domesticated, his 
>> wildness was very much evident. He never tried to bite anyone, but his 
>> hackles would raise and he would give a low snarl if anyone got too close 
>> to him.
>>
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