[Vision2020] Why I didn't vote for Brady

Sun Jan 14 22:18:33 PST 2007

Debi et. al.

"Which way to the egress?"

I could attempt an answer... I rehearsed, with poetic inspiration and lofty,
passionate ideals, philosophical dissection and illumination, scientific
precision and wonderment, the complexities of political and economic
systems, the universals and particulars of spiritual struggle, the Eros of
human compassion and empathy, the unthinkable and horrifying depths of evil,
cruelty and deception, and...

"The Earth is our mother, and we are all her children, down to the
most infinitesimal living being...We live or die insofar as we respect this
truth"

This ridiculous, laughable, simpleton, childlike statement will be dismissed
my most...It suggests more than I am capable of articulating.  But if all
that this statement implies was "respected," this might be an answer to your
question, which for some reason felt I should answer seriously, and simply,
however silly my response...

Despite my all too human need to feel I have the human condition, our place
in the universe, figured out, that I can make sense of it all, really, I
have no clue!

Which way to the egress, indeed!

http://www-tech.mit.edu/Shakespeare/macbeth/macbeth.5.5.html

*MACBETH*

She should have died hereafter;
There would have been a time for such a word.
To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day
To the last syllable of recorded time,
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage
And then is heard no more: it is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.

--------
Ted Moffett

On 1/14/07, debismith at moscow.com <debismith at moscow.com> wrote:
>
> Ted, very true. Anyone who believes his or her own bull can lie with a
> straight face, dissemble
> until dawn, and give you a Hale-Fellow-Well-Met firm handshake while
> picking your pocket.
> Politicians have to believe their own BS to get elected. They also have to
> be able to baffle with
> their BS all those voters who will fall for a con.
>
> I met both these men when they were candidates--I knew Brady wouldn't get
> elected because
> he was a real person. While being near Butch raised the hair on the back
> of my neck, I looked
> at the folks around him and knew they were believing everything he said
> and inventing wonders
> he hadn't said, and I knew he was gonna get elected. People love to be
> lied to. Just look at
> those (fewer than six months ago!) Bushites---they know he's a damn liar,
> but they don't care.
> They will invent their own story to justify his lies because they can't
> admit they were conned.
>
> Also keep in mind that the easiest person to con is a con artist...they do
> believe there is a
> quick fix, a magic bean, a real get-rich-quick scheme. Bushites, and
> Otterists, and
> ChickenHawks, oh my....Barnum was right! Which way to the egress?
>
> Debi R-S
>
>
>
> Date sent:             Sun, 14 Jan 2007 14:29:35 -0800
> From:                   "Ted Moffett" <starbliss at gmail.com>
> To:                     "Paul Rumelhart" <godshatter at yahoo.com>
> Copies to:              vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject:                Re: [Vision2020] Why I didn't vote for Brady
>
> All-
>
> Anyone who has studied pathological personalities can tell you that
> some of the most deceptive and dangerous people can look you straight
> in a eye, shake your hand firmly, while they engage in the most self
> conscious lies imaginable.  A politician may also appear commanding in
> person, firm handshake and all, and still kowtow to polls, popularity
> or their biggest campaign donors or lobbyists.  This is the reality of
> political life, and firm handshakes are just part of this game.  And
> don't forget the baby kissing!
>
> >From "Animals" by Pink Floyd:
>
> After a while you can work on points for style
> Like the club tie, and the firm handshake
> A sudden look in the eye, and an easy smile
> You have to be trusted by the people that you lie to
> So that when they turn their backs on you
> You'll get the chance to put the knife in
>
> http://www.ingsoc.com/waters/personal/animals.html
>
> Phil Rose explains that, "the dog suggests that eventually the
> attacker can adopt a deceitful, businesslike persona – characterized
> by a deceptively friendly 'look in the eye', and a fraudulent smile
> that can be called upon whenever necessary."
> ----------------------------------------------------------
>
> In short, I would neither reject nor approve of a politician based on
> a whether or not they had a firm handshake or looked someone directly
> in the eye.
>
> Want politicians to me more honest?  Lessen the domination of
> political life by big money; campaign donations, lobbyists, corporate
> revolving doors between the private sector and political office, etc.
> To discover what loyalties a politician has that will dictate their
> conduct in office, follow the money trail that got them into office.
> This will be one of the most reliable measures of how they will
> conduct themselves. Ted Moffett
>
> On 1/14/07, Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > Kai Eiselein wrote:
> >
> > > A limp handshake and the inability to look me in the eye.
> > > Both, to me, show a lack confidence. That lack of confidence will
> > > lead to waffling and paying more attention to "whats popular"
> > > rather than "whats right". I'd like my candidates to have the
> > > spine to stand up for what they believe is right, the pollsters,
> > > consultants and "experts" be damned. (Of course, having them
> > > generally in line with my view is a plus.) In other words, I want
> > > them to lead.
> > >
> >
> >
> > A person with a limp handshake has got to be better than someone who
> > will forcefully move us in the wrong direction.  In my opinion, our
> > current President is a wonderful example of just that.
> >
> > I think the whole "firm handshake" thing is overrated.  Someone who
> > is used to dealing with subtleties in today's world might just shake
> > your hand just hard enough to show he means it but not hard enough
> > to show that he's trying to compete with you to avoid engaging your
> > "alpha male" response.  Someone who is compassionate instead of
> > "macho" might just grip your hand warmly and softly, to show that
> > they care.  Not to mention that someone who thinks he has to
> > forcefully grip everybody's hand might just be tired enough not to
> > grip yours hard enough if it's the ten-thousandth hand he's shaken
> > that day.
> >
> > I'd prefer a little push in the right direction vs. a big push in
> > the wrong direction.
> >
> > Of course, we may not agree on what direction is the right one, but
> > I'd rather the direction itself be the biggest concern.
> >
> > Paul
> >
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