[Vision2020] Democrat Party Civil War

Sun Jan 14 20:35:59 PST 2007

I'll comment briefly here, because I think most of Vision knows how I feel, 
few could possibly care, and only Tony seems to not understand points I've 
made over the last couple of years.

Yes, I believe abortion is the taking of a human life.  I do not believe, 
however, that attempts to make it always illegal are workable, and I 
absolutely reject that a woman who feels desperate enough to have one is a 
murderer.

I am unaware of any Democrat who "champions" abortion.  I wish the party 
would return to a classically liberal stance that is pro-life from 
conception to death, and I applaud anything that reduces abortion without 
victimizing women.  My disagreement on abortion with most prominent 
Democrats notwithstanding, I believe the Democratic party is overall more 
pro-life than the current iteration of Republicanism that we see around us.  
I hate abortion, which no one I know of "champions," and I hate war, rampant 
hyper-comsumerism, worship of the free market at the expense of human 
beings, the death penalty, racism, sexism, violence against the poor, and 
policies that virtually consign groups of people to permanent poverty and 
powerlessness.

My belief in the mercy and wisdom of God frees me from thinking of abortion 
as the only, even the most important, issue our world faces.  And as I have 
expressed numerous times before, I am not impressed with people who weep 
over the deaths of aborted babies without caring about the economic, social, 
cultural and religious injustices that lead a woman to embrace it as a 
choice, and who don't seem to give a rip about the lives of poor people 
after gestation.  Further, I find myself reading what men think about 
abortion with a wince and a grimace, which, while perhaps unfair, indicates 
my concern about men weighing in in an area they'll never have to explore 
from any point other than the hypothetical.

"Every woman knows that if she were free, she would never bear an 
unwished-for child, nor think of murdering one before its birth."

Feminist pioneer and the nation's first female presidential candidate 
Victoria Woodhull in 1875.

(And yes, I am aware that she said "murdering," just as I'm sure she would 
see women's powerlessness in the Victorian era as a mitigating factor . . . 
)

keely

From: "Tony" <tonytime at clearwire.net>
To: "keely emerinemix" <kjajmix1 at msn.com>
CC: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Democrat Party Civil War
Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 15:01:28 -0800

Keely, if you believe that abortion is the taking of a human life, how can 
you support a party which not only condones, but champions it?  Surely this 
issue has to trump all others in importance??

Best,   -T
----- Original Message ----- From: "keely emerinemix" <kjajmix1 at msn.com>
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Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 8:57 AM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Democrat Party Civil War

>This is a particular pet peeve of mine and I thank Andreas for his post.
>
>The parties are correctly known as the Democratic Party and the Republican
>Party, as I'm sure just about everyone knows.  I'm a Democrat, which means 
>I
>affiliate with the -- you got it -- Democratic Party.  The "-an" in
>"Republican" serves as a proper descriptor of both the party and its
>adherents.
>
>I suppose, though, that because I generally think that most Republicans are
>wrong on the issues, I could just use the "-an" and add a patriotic-looking
>"us," which would leave us with "Republicanus."  And if you think that's
>silly, stupid, juvenile and petty, I agree.  Just apply the same standard 
>to
>those who persist in their sneering use of the "Democrat" party, OK?
>
>keely
>
>
>From: "g. crabtree" <jampot at adelphia.net>
>To: "Andreas Schou" <ophite at gmail.com>, "Tim Lohrmann" <timlohr at yahoo.com>
>CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Democrat Party Civil War
>Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 05:40:48 -0800
>
>Didn't strike me as particularly odd. Perhaps, oddly appropriate.
>
>g
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Andreas Schou" <ophite at gmail.com>
>To: "Tim Lohrmann" <timlohr at yahoo.com>
>Cc: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 7:48 PM
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Democrat Party Civil War
>
>
> > On 1/12/07, Tim Lohrmann <timlohr at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> Dick Morris may be a political prostitute, but he's a smart one.
> >> TL
> >
> > T --
> >
> > You've misspelled. It's the "Democratic" party, not the "Democrat"
> > party. An odd mistake, considering that the correct word is printed
> > not *two inches* away from the mistake.
> >
> > -- ACS
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