[Vision2020] [Spam] Re: Health Care

lfalen lfalen at turbonet.com
Wed Jan 10 16:08:46 PST 2007


> Malpractice lawsuits are only a part of the problem. There needs to be tort reform for frivolous lawsuits. See www.halt.org
> 
> Roger
> -----Original message-----
> From: "Andreas Schou" ophite at gmail.com
> Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 14:50:06 -0800
> To: "Kai Eiselein" fotopro63 at hotmail.com
> Subject: [Spam] Re: [Vision2020] Health Care
> 
> > On 1/9/07, Kai Eiselein <fotopro63 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Ok, so 5% doesn't sound like much..... until you figure out the millions
> > > upon millions of dollars involved.
> > 
> > Kai --
> > 
> > I didn't say 5%. I said 1.5%. It's certainly millions and millions of
> > dollars, but it's also a tiny part of the problem. Malpractice reform
> > is a boondoggle on the behalf of the AMA to prevent bad doctors from
> > being held accountable for bad medicine. A recent analysis of
> > malpractice claims found that 5% of doctors were responsible for 50%
> > of malpractice awards. If you want to cut down on malpractice awards,
> > these people should no longer be allowed to practice medicine. It's as
> > simple as that. No one should insure these doctors.
> > 
> > -- ACS
> > 
> > > Sooooooo, limit the amount that can be awarded and punish lawyers/law firms
> > > that bring frivolous suits.
> > > Doctors won't have to spend as much for coverage and will be able to charge
> > > more reasonable rates, more reasonable doctor's fees would help bring more
> > > reasonable insurance rates.
> > > Medical insurance companies have a right to charge more for higher risk
> > > consumers. Why should it be any different than, say, auto insurance? Drivers
> > > convicted of DUIs pay more than drivers who haven't ever had a ticket. More
> > > risk, more money.
> > > Smokers, alcoholics and illicit drug users are all taking a risk, and should
> > > pay more for an insurance company to do the same.
> > > But the real question is, do you trust your government enough to decide what
> > > is right for you?
> > > What can the government do, that private industry cannot do better?
> > 
> > Roads? National defense? Basic research? There's a standard amount of
> > waste built into everything the government contracts out to a private
> > supplier. It's called the profit margin. Further, those sort of
> > public-private alliances always end up with a circular flow of money
> > -- the contractor lobbies the legislature for increasing disbursements
> > and decreasing accountability.
> > 
> > Oh, and health care. The United States has the highest health care
> > costs, and the highest out-of-pocket costs, of any industrialized
> > nation. That includes countries like Canada, whose nationalized health
> > care system doesn't even *work* that well. Even inside the United
> > States, our own socialized medicine systems work better than the
> > market -- the VA has per-patient costs far below the market, and both
> > Medicare and Medicaid patients report higher levels of satisfaction
> > than people accessing industry-supported health care.
> > 
> > It is utterly bizarre that, after World War II, we decided that every
> > company should go into the business of providing health care to its
> > employees. Health care -- especially *effective* health care -- should
> > be a public service, and there's every indication that I, and everyone
> > else, would pay less for it in tax money than we might otherwise pay
> > for it out of pocket.
> > 
> > -- ACS
> > 
> > Health care, Kai. The United States has higher health care costs than
> > any other country in the world. Sure, we have "better" healthcare, for
> > those that can afford it, but it'
> > 
> > > After all, the government isn't interested in saving money, there is no
> > > incentive to. They'll just get more from the taxpayer. Then they'll need
> > > more and more bureaucrats to run the programs, at a higher and higher cost,
> > > with no accountabilty, which will cost all of us even more.
> > > Remember, this is the same government that couldn't deal with a hurricane
> > > and pays outrageous prices for toilet seats. It spent thousands developing a
> > > pen that would write in the weightlessness of outer space, the Russians used
> > > pencils.
> > > The more of your choices/responsibilties you are willing to give to your
> > > government, the more control that government will have over you.
> > > Sorry kids and Mouseketeers but I can't trust a government that can't even
> > > control its own borders, can't deal with a natural disaster and doesn't have
> > > enough sense to save money by using a pencil.
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