[Vision2020] Support Military Protestors Against theWarThatIMplies Winnin

Pat Kraut pkraut at moscow.com
Mon Jan 1 01:01:27 PST 2007 

There are three things the US has done from the beginning that makes us as
rich as we are today.
First we are a Christian/religious nation this gives us a moral
underpinning.
Second we are nation that has the rule of law we expect honesty from our
shopkeepers and we do something about it when it doesn't happen.
Only third is capitalism our form of business...how we do our money.
But, capitalism without the other two is pure greed and right now China is
trying to do business without the first two.
It won't work long term.



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Matt Decker" <mattd2107 at hotmail.com>
To: <deco at moscow.com>; <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2006 8:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Support Military Protestors Against
theWarThatIMplies Winnin



Art,

why yes I do think we can learn from China and any county. However, what way
do you think China can go? In my eyes the only way is up. They have tried
for years to do so and finally they are on their way.

I do believe the opinion piece was about war though Art. In that case what
do we have to learn from them, as in recent war achievments? Attricion
warfare? The Chinese have not been successful in the last century.  That is
all I was getting at.

Matt

>From: "Art Deco" <deco at moscow.com>
>To: "Vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Support Military Protestors Against the
>WarThatIMplies Winnin
>Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 17:10:07 -0800
>
>Matt,
>
>Who do you think at this point is winning the economic competition between
>the US and China?  Is there something we could learn from China here?
>
>W.
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Matt Decker" <mattd2107 at hotmail.com>
>To: <godshatter at yahoo.com>; <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2006 3:56 PM
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Support Military Protestors Against the War
>ThatIMplies Winnin
>
>
> > Paul,
> >
> > I agree we should and all can learn from this congress led military
> > effort.
> > We as Americans should think for ourselves and learn from others and our
> > mistakes. What I don't understand from that opinion piece is China, and
> > how
> > we should learn from them. When have they recently won anything? WW2, we
> > and
> > Britian bailed them out. Korea we killed thousands if not a million. Mao
> > Zhe
> > thong (spelling) I doubt is a great role model for us to follow. Even in
> > todays world, even though they are becoming a very strong nation, tends
>to
> > exploit their own people.
> >
> > If I am going to learn from another country, China is not on top of my
> > list.
> >
> > Matt
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>From: Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com>
> >>To: Vision 2020 <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> >>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Support Military Protestors Against the War
>That
> >>IMplies Winning
> >>Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 11:40:24 -0800
> >>
> >>Tom Hansen wrote:
> >>
> >> >---------------------
> >> >
> >> >'War' implies winning
> >> >
> >> >It is this use and overuse of the term war that is the problem. We
>must
> >>stop
> >> >using it so idly. I mean there is this war on terrorism, war on Iraq,
> >> >war
> >>on
> >> >poverty, on drugs, on ignorance; frankly we will never win any of
>them.
> >>They
> >> >are not winnable. The war on Vietnam was not winnable. If a war cannot
> >> >be
> >> >won it should be called something else; stupid, possibly. World War I
> >> >and
> >>II
> >> >were wars.
> >> >
> >> >A war is so terrible it cannot be lost. In a war that cannot be lost
>the
> >> >whole country is mobilized, everything is put on the line, everything
>is
> >> >taxed, everyone fights and no one makes an unfair profit from it. If
>we
> >>are
> >> >unwilling to commit everything, it is not a war. A war should not be
>so
> >>easy
> >> >to get into either. Lies and warmongering should not be enough.
> >> >
> >> >We should learn something from this waste in Iraq. For that matter, we
> >> >should learn something from the Chinese. They know about winning. It
>is
> >>time
> >> >to go home, George. Ask Rove to throw a spin on it, say we won,
>declare
> >> >victory and start packing.
> >> >
> >> >Edward L. Parker
> >> >Spokane
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>I agree with this 100%.  We are abusing the term.  In fact, it's simply
> >>a well-chosen word that is known to push our buttons.  This pisses me
> >>off.  I don't like to be manipulated, even though that's all you seem to
> >>get in this country anymore.  If it's not the government, it's the
> >>media, or the corporations.  Multi-billion dollar advertising campaigns,
> >>viral marketing, propaganda - it's a major sign that our country needs
> >>an overhaul.
> >>
> >>We let it happen, plain and simple, because we panicked on 9/11.  That
> >>opened the door for a lot of things that will never go back to normal
> >>again.
> >>
> >>Paul
> >>
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