[Vision2020] God is who??(Was Quaran and the Bible)
Tom Hansen
thansen at moscow.com
Sat Feb 24 13:45:10 PST 2007
You can feel rest assured, PR. Once Lord Wilson gets it past the censors,
Canon Press will copyright and publish "The Bible - The Sequel: The Way It
Ought to Be", complete with an Imprecatory "Who's Who" section.
As far as I am concerned, though, I will simply wait for the movie.
Tom Hansen
Moscow, Idaho
-----Original Message-----
From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
On Behalf Of Paul Rumelhart
Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2007 1:32 PM
To: vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] God is who??(Was Quaran and the Bible)
God could clear this up this afternoon by bringing to Mankind "The
Bible, Volume II", or "The Q'uran, part II".
Since He refuses to do so, I can only assume that it doesn't matter that
much to Him.
If He doesn't care about such trivialities as who is descended from who
and whose son is immortal and whatnot, then maybe we shouldn't either.
Paul
keely emerinemix wrote:
>Pat, I don't think the entire Muslim world is trying to pull an unholy
>fleece over your eyes. The God worshipped by the religions of the Book --
>Jews, Muslims, and Christians -- is the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob in
>history.
>
>It may be said that each faith believes something different about this God:
>Jews believe that He has yet to send the Messiah, Christians believe He
>exists in triune form (the trinity, or, loosely described, one What and
>three Who), and Muslims believe that He counts His lineage from Ishmael,
not
>Isaac. Because Christians believe Jesus is God, the attributes and
>character of God are then ascribed to Jesus, and one could probably say
>without being too far off the mark that Jews and Christians believe in a
God
>more personally involved with His creation in a relationship sense. My
>point is that the object of the faith is the same to each practitioner of
>these faiths, but the characteristics make that One different to each.
>
>A clumsy but maybe enlightening example: I might describe George W. Bush
as
>an opportunistic, intellectually dense, earnest and macho American male who
>is currently our president. Someone else might describe him as a devout
>Christian, a man of peace, a scholar of geopolitics, and a steadfast
leader.
> His college buddies might describe him as a hearty-partyer, a good ol'
>boy, a fraternity president and a helluva cheerleader, and Laura might --
>I'm straining on this one -- describe him as a loving, attentive, sensitive
>husband and caring, involved father to their two girls. All are describing
>George W. Bush, who exists in history and has revealed himself to people,
>but who exists independently of our attempts to evaluate or analyze --
>apprehend -- him. Some of these descriptions are more accurate than
others,
>but the adherents of each point of view are all describing GWB, even,
>perhaps, in ways that make us eventually say, "Gee, George, it's like
you're
>a whole different person!!" and that also make us say, if someone were to
>describe him as a dairyman and hemp farmer in Sultan, Washington, "Uhhh,
no,
>that's not the same guy." In other words, God is as He/She is, and some
>perspectives are "wronger" than the others. (Yes, I said "She," because it
>is incorrect to ascribe only male characteristics to the Divine).
>
>Now, as a Christian, I believe that God is triune, that Jesus is the
>Messiah, fully God and fully Man, and that He reigns as God since His
>resurrection. And so I cannot simultaneously believe that God is NOT
>triune, that Jesus is NOT divine, and that the Messiah is yet to come.
>That's why I can't be a Christian and also then be a Muslim or a Jew. But
>another thing I can't do is presume that I have all understanding, and that
>God has not graciously revealed Himself to those who seek His kingdom, even
>if they seek it with a roadmap I find inaccurate. And so I proclaim the
>Triune God, seek to do God's will, and refuse to see attacks against my
>faith in every point of dissent.
>
>keely
>
>
>
>
>From: "Sue Hovey" <suehovey at moscow.com>
>To: "Pat Kraut" <pkraut at moscow.com>, "vision2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] The Qur'an and the Bible
>Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 08:13:25 -1000
>
>Pat, I don't know where you got that information, but according to my
bible
>professors at Baylor University in the 1950s,and those folks who weren't
>long on religious tolerance, Mohammad traced his lineage back to Abraham
and
>his worship of the same God the Jews worshipped before him. This is not
some
>new phenomenon, it was in the textbooks I used in college classes a long
>time ago.
>
>Sue
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Pat Kraut
> To: vision2020
> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 7:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] The Qur'an and the Bible
>
>
> Muslims claim now in 2007 that they have the same god as the Jews or
>Christians But they did not start out that way. It is a new claim to make
>themselves more acceptable in current time and to add confusion to the
>subject. Few Christian denominations agree with the idea however so they
can
>claim it but that does not make it true.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ellen Roskovich
> To: nielsen at uidaho.edu ; Vision2020 at moscow.com
> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 8:45 PM
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] The Qur'an and the Bible
>
>
> Actually, I think it was back in October of last year, I remember Doug
>Wilson telling everyone at the Sub that Christians and Muslims DO NOT
>worship the "same" God.
>
> It was news to me. Every Muslim I have ever known has always said the
>same thing on the subject. . . "we worship the same God, the God of
>Abraham." But, hey, according to Doug wilson, Jews have missed the boat
as
>well.
>
> That was an interesting evening.
>
> Ellen Roskovich
>
>
>
>
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>
> From: Ralph Nielsen <nielsen at uidaho.edu>
> To: Vision 2020 <Vision2020 at moscow.com>
> Subject: [Vision2020] The Qur'an and the Bible
> Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 12:33:46 -0800
> >Yes, Doug (Farris or Wilson), the Qur'an is very similar to the
> >Bible. Don't Christians and Muslims say they both worship the same
>God?
> >
> >"Blessed be the LORD my rock, who trains my hands for war, and my
> >fingers for battle" (Psalm 144:1).
> >
> >"Thus says the LORD: I am coming against you, and will draw my
sword
> >out of its sheath, and will cut off from you both righteous and
> >wicked" (Ezekiel 21:3b).
> >
> >"And the LORD changed his mind about the disaster that he planned
to
> >bring on his people" (Exodus 32:14).
> >
> >"I, I am the LORD, and besides me there is no savior" (Isaiah
>43:11).
> >
> >And so on...
> >
> >Ralph
> >
> >Heirdoug wrote:
> >
> >I just love this line "the enemy is the violence they exalt." Like
> >their sharia law and the last thing that was said in the Koran was
>not
> >the important point... "death to the infidel"!
> >
> > From one of Doug Wilson's sermons: "The Koran is not organized
> >chronologically, but rather the same way the letters of Paul are
> >organized in the New Testament--by length. This leads many people
to
> >think that "peace" verses in the Koran and "war" verses are all
>jumbled
> >together, to be sorted out as the occasion demands. But the peace
> >verses were from the first Meccan period, and they were abrogated
by
> >the jihad verses that began in Medina. "If we abrogate a verse or
>cause
> >it to be forgotten, We will replace it with a better one or one
> >similar" (Surah 2:106)."
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