[Vision2020] Fantasy vs, Reality Second Installment

[J Ford]

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>Subject:  [Vision2020] Fantasy vs, Reality Second Installment
>Date:  Mon, 19 Feb 2007 17:20:38 -0800
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>SOUTHERN SLAVERY, AS IT WAS
>Douglas J. Wilson
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>Here are some excerpts from the booklet:
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>"To say the least, it is strange that the thing the Bible condemns
>(slave-trading) brings very little opprobrium upon the North, yet that
>which the Bible allows (slave-ownership) has brought down all manner of
>condemnation upon the South." (page 22)
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>* "As we have already
>mentioned, the 'peculiar institution' of slavery was not perfect or
>sinless, but the reality was a far cry from the horrific descriptions
>given to us in modern histories." (page 22)
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>* "Slavery as it
>existed in the South was not an adversarial relationship with pervasive
>racial animosity. Because of its dominantly patriarchal character, it
>was a relationship based upon mutual affection and confidence." (page
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>* "There has never been a multi-racial society which has
>existed with such mutual intimacy and harmony in the history of the
>world." (page 24)
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>* "Slave life was to them a life of plenty, of simple pleasures, of food, 
>clothes, and good medical care." (page 25)
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>"But many Southern blacks supported the South because of long
>established bonds of affection and trust that had been forged over
>generations with their white masters and friends." (page 27)
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>"Nearly every slave in the South enjoyed a higher standard of living
>than the poor whites of the South -- and had a much easier existence."
>(page 30)
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>Reality:
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>Bullwhip Days: The Slaves Remember: An Oral History
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>Synopsis:  In an unflinching oral history, former slaves
>eloquently describe their experiences in captivity and portray the
>harsh conditions they faced in everyday life as slaves.
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>  The Bad, The Sad, And The Extremely Ugly   June 12, 2006
>1 out of 1 found this review helpful
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>This
>is the real deal. Ex-slaves telling their own experiences; a few
>not-so-bad, many extremely heartbreaking. This is one of the best
>insights into what slavery was really like during the 19th Century.
>This is the story, in there own words, of how a people were totally
>dehumanized during America's most shameful period. A country claiming
>"liberty and justice for all" while denying that freedom to millions of
>fellow human beings. And many still ask the question, "why do
>African-Americans still lag behind in so many areas, while other ethnic
>groups had to struggle as immigrants also?" This book is a reminder
>that blacks were forcibly brought here, and denied-for-years even the
>simplest education. Maybe the reading of this book, will help some
>realize the continual uphill struggle, blacks have tried to achieve in
>a few short decades since the Civil Rights Movement. Trying to makeup
>for Centuries of bondage, and inequality. Just as we can never forget
>the evils of the Holocaust, so it should be equaly true with the era of
>slavery.
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>  The Slaves Own Words   January 31, 2006
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>have used this book as part of my Black history classes for 5 years
>now. It would be impossible to make up the stories that actually
>happened to a people held against their will and it is riveting to read
>about the memories and nightmares. This book gives a name to slaves,
>personalizes it and makes the suffering immortal. These recollections,
>though they belonged to individuals, makes the suffering universal. The
>experience of one is the experience of all. But yet, these people on
>occasion find some humor in various memories and you can share there
>collective joy over 150 years later. I highly recommend this book to
>anyone, not just students and historians.
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>  "The Real Deal"   October 19, 2005
>1 out of 1 found this review helpful
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>first read this book back in 1991. Even today, I will occasionally
>reread it. It is very informative and very much real. I can truly say
>that I love this book and this is a must have. You will truly enjoy it.
>My people have come a long way.
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>  Powerful & Moving   February 7, 2005
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>all I can say. This is a wonderful book and a must read for everyone. I
>read this as part of a book club discussion for Black History Month.
>What a way to open my eyes to a part of American history. Very moving.
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>  Telling it like it was
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>Forget
>Tara, forget Falconhurst... this was the real deal. Based on the
>results of a U.S. Government project in the 1930's to capture the
>memories of living former slaves on tape, this awesome book is the
>history of slavery in the United States by those most qualified to tell
>it -- the blacks who actually lived it. And by telling their stories,
>we live through it with them; we feel what it must have been like to
>have your family members sold away from you, to be forced into
>cohabitation with a fellow slave you despised for the sole purpose of
>breeding new slaves, to be treated like a beast of burden, and the
>crushing indignity of being a piece of property to be treated however
>your master's whim takes him. The former slaves remembered it all, and
>their reminiscences aren't pretty: "For miles around you could hear
>those dreadful whuppins. They were a turrible part of livin'." We hear
>their voices through the dark years of Reconstruction, which for many
>former slaves was escaping out of one hell and landing into the next,
>and we hear the stark statement of one old man who sums up the results
>of all his labor, paid and unpaid, over the decades: "Ain't got nothin,
>ain't got nothin, ain't got nothin." And finally, we can only wonder at
>the strength and resilience of so many who claimed their humanity after
>so many years of being treated as something less than human, and who
>managed to not only survive, but to keep on keepin' on.
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>  WHAT A BOOK   April 26, 2002
>5 out of 6 found this review helpful
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>SO LONG, I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT SLAVERY WAS LIKE. I'VE READ ABOUT IT IN
>BOOKS BUT THERE REALLY WAS NO DETAILED INFORMATION ON THE ACTUAL
>SLAVES. THIS BOOK REALLY HELPED ME TO FEEL THE DEVASTATION AND
>HUMILIATION OF THE AFRICAN SLAVE. IT HAS ALSO GIVEN ME A DIFFERENT
>OUTLOOK ON WHO I AM AND WHERE MY PEOPLE HAVE COME FROM. LONG BEFORE
>THIS BOOK I HAD DOUBTS ABOUT BEING AFRICAN. I DON'T MEAN AFRICAN
>AMERICAN. AFRICAN! FROM THE TRAUMATIC STRUGGLE MY PEOPLE HAVE ENDURED
>HAS MADE ME REALIZE THAT I WOULD BE SO IGNORANT TO CHANGE WHAT THEY
>HAVE GIVEN ME. I WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE AUTHOR OF THIS BOOK FOR NOT
>CHANGING EVEN THE DIALECT OF THE EX-SLAVES. IT REMINDS ME HOW FAR WE
>HAVE COME AND HOW FAR WE HAVEN'T. THERE IS SO MUCH HEALING THAT HAS TO
>COME TO THE SO CALLED AFRICAN AMERICANS. READING THIS BOOK, I REALIZE
>THAT I HAVE FRIENDS AND FAMILY MEMBERS WHO ARE STILL IN THE SAME STATE
>OF MIND. -MENTALLY ENSLAVED-
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>  A MUST READ for EVERYBODY!!!   February 27, 2002
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>is a fat book which you don't have to read cover to cover. You can skip
>around and read what real slaves said about raising children, their
>white masters, their work, what they ate, how they celebrated, how they
>worshiped, etc. This really tells what life was really like on
>plantations. If you like this book I recommend I WAS BORN A SLAVE which
>is similar. Two novels I recommend are THE DIARY OF A SLAVE GIRL, RUBY
>JO which tells about pirates and how runaways sometimes joined pirate
>ships where they were treated equally. Also, THE JOURNAL OF LEROY
>JONES, A FUGITIVE SLAVE.
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>  As a teaching aid   May 10, 2000
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>4 out of 4 found this review helpful
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>book would make a wonderful teaching aid. Its first hand accounts and
>lessons in perspective will draw in the reader while reminding them
>that these are memories that should not soon be forgotten. I have
>returned to this book several times and have recommended it ( with
>limited sucess ) to educators around the south and midwest. This book
>should be in every high school library.
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>  From a White Woman's Perspective   April 8, 2000
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>a wife of a black man (married 14 years), I am constantly learning of
>the plight of african-americans and their culture in order to better
>understand and share it with our four children. This book has taught me
>more and moved me more than ANY OTHER book I have ever read on the
>subject. The accounts are moving, the pictures are unforgettable, and
>the book flows easily from one interview to the next. Every household
>in America with an interest in the "slave days" of the U.S. should read
>this book and keep it to pass on to their children.
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>  Wonderful book   October 1, 1999
>Great
>book with a couple of really interesting pictures that make you do a
>lot of thinking about that time in our nation's history.
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>  I agree with the reviews below   September 17, 1999
>6 out of 7 found this review helpful
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>I
>was astounded by this book. The interviews draw a clear, persuasive
>picture that no dry history book ever could, no matter how learned the
>author. I now feel as though I have an accurate view of what the lives
>of slaves were like.
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>I am pleased to see that not every slave owner
>was a monster and that not every slave lived a life of continuous
>misery. The institution was terrible, of course, and its continued
>existence so late in this country was a disgrace. Many slave owners
>were brutes. However, this book illustrates the terrific capacity of
>human beings to rise above their circumstances, especially of the
>oppressed, but also of the oppressors.
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>I  agree with every statement in all of the previous reviews, and I 
>recommend  the book wholeheartedly.
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>  Excellent, People come alive again through their experiences   August 12, 
>1999
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>book is really superb. It puts a human face with each story on an ugly
>period of American history. The good and the bad, the funny and the
>quirky experiences are explained sincerely and realistically. The best
>way to learn about history is through the voices of those who lived
>through it so I consider this book a valuable document and a tribute to
>the human spirit
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>  The Most Neglected Period in U.S. History Comes Alive   September 21, 
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>wouldn't believe my excitement upon discovering this book at the local
>library. These are the voices of real slaves, their histories recorded
>in the 1930's through a government project to collect this data. What a
>true American gem. All the voices are transcribed in the "native"
>language - Black English as spoken by ex-slaves, many of them at the
>time of their stories being recorded nearly a hundred years old. The
>accounts are fascinating, and non-biased. Some slaves speak frankly of
>wishing once again for slavery, and they recount the generosity and
>attention of the "Old Marse". Others tell horrific and moving stories
>of truly brutal and savage masters and wouldn't want to return to
>"slave times" under any circumstance. Most of the stories include
>first-hand accounts of their experiences through the Civil War and
>Reconstruction, although the primary goal was to record their
>experiences while slaves. Reconstruction of this country had enormous
>impact, and what the slaves did to build the nation during it's early
>years has been such a neglected historical topic. This is by far one of
>the most important books in my collection. As a white 31-year old
>middle-class woman, this is a must-read for anyone who might call
>themselves an American, regardless of race.
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>  Experiences described here will stay with you a long time.
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>book will expand your mind by exposing you to a set of emotions that
>are (presumably) no longer experienced: how it feels to be owned. Your
>own emotions will run the gamut from anger to sadness and back again,
>but it is worth it to hear about slavery from people who experienced
>it. You will never again think about it in abstract terms .
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>Unchained Memories: Readings from the Slave Narratives
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>Amazing book. I've never read one like it.
>Quite interesting. Honest experiences. An eye-opener. Anyone interested
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>A wonderful historical collection, July 1, 2003
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>this beautiful, historical collection of slave narratives and
>photographs, we are given a look inside the lives of actual slaves
>being interviewed as part of a project conducted by the Works Progress
>Administration. With more than forty interviews, UNCHAINED MEMORIES is
>a work of art that provides a well-rounded look at the lives of slaves.
>It includes insight into their living conditions, thoughts about
>slavery, their families and even the details of actual slave auctions.
>It is a sometimes sad collection, but much needed to help us understand
>the progress our ancestors have made in the world.
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>accounts, we are able to see the pain and suffering as well as the
>spirit and pride of those born into slavery, learn from it, and pass it
>along to our children. This is a wonderful resource for not only
>African American families, but for anyone interested in history and the
>period of slavery and its impact upon the African American race. It is
>compiled with the grace and dignity deserving of a people who have been
>through so much!
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>See all my reviewsThis book is hard to read.  It is hard to wade through 
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>class. Children were callously sold and permanently separated from
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>slavery to life for you, this is not the book. What you get here are
>very short and very simple reports by individuals. There's nothing here
>that you didn't know already. This is not a great work of literature.
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>"...Oh freedom, Oh freedom, Oh freedom over
>me. And before I'll be a slave, I'll be buried in my grave and go home
>to my Lord and be free"
>__Old Negro Spiritual
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>spiritual above must not have been uttered to these beautiful human
>beings who have graciously allowed interviewers from the 1930's
>Governments Works Progress Administration to chronicle their life
>stories. For if the words above had been uttered, the slave experience,
>from an intimate and painful point of view, would never have received
>the credence they due. Tales of slavery are still passed down from
>generation to generation, and traditions still are followed but to see
>a book like Unchained Memories is special. Quite simply, this is a
>beautiful book. I'm so thrilled to have been given the opportunity to
>read it and experience it and learn from it. I can treat the book as a
>textbook, a factual accounting of the lives of former slaves who have
>wonderful stories that they don't mind sharing with the world. For that
>reason alone, this book has earned a permanent place on my coffee
>table, for all who enter into my house to experience. Something about
>the actual words of former slaves bound in book form validates an
>agonizing time in American History.
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>researched and magnificently laid out. At the beginning of every
>chapter is an introductory text that accounts for the tenure of the
>time, followed by a poignant quote and then brief narratives begin. My
>one regret is that the narratives are so short, when biographers
>obviously spent a great deal of time with these people. I am grateful
>that there is an extensive bibliography at the back so that I can, at
>some point, go and read the entire account by the former slave. Oh
>where will I find the time? If you read this book, I would highly
>suggest that you get a copy of the HBO documentary of the same name and
>watch it as well. There is nothing like "hearing" the words spoken by
>African American actors of today in the vernacular of the time.
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>its debut during Black History Month. These former slaves are the
>reason why Black History Month is perpetuated now and a fitting tribute
>for remembering from whence we as a nation have come.
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>Ann (Dix Hills, New York USA)  -
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>An
>exquisite pictorial and narrative exploration of the institution of
>American slavery, this book provides readers with the opportunity to
>experience from personal recollections what it was like to live under
>conditions of slavery. The text format, an artistic balance of
>photographs and primary sources, is composed of interviews with former
>slaves conducted in the 1930s by the Federal Writers' Project. Each
>chapter focuses on a particular aspect of slave life - auctions, work,
>family, special occasions, providing a deeply etched portrait of
>hardships and abuses as well as examples of strength of character and
>quiet dignity. A worthy addition to one's library!
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