[Vision2020] Wilson's Excuses
J Ford
privatejf32 at hotmail.com
Fri Feb 16 17:34:42 PST 2007
A. Doug said and says it in his books and sermons and even on the 31st.
Have you forgotten his approval of the piece written by Greg Dickison? Just
read his books - he is very clear on what his beliefs and practices are and
would be if the law allowed for him to do as he pleases.
B. IF it were slander, it certainly is nothing that YOU have to get
involved in as it is not being said about YOU!
C. You get a grip! You support a guy you say you don't worship with and
yet you act just as salaciously as any of his other disciples.
J :]
>From: "g. crabtree" <jampot at adelphia.net>
>To: "J Ford" <privatejf32 at hotmail.com>, <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Wilson's Excuses
>Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 15:46:35 -0800
>
>
>
>"He'll kill a child that disobeys his parent,
>he'll kill any gay just because they are gay"
>
>Get a grip on yourself. This is over the top, even by the standards that
>you have previously set. The term slander gets tossed about pretty freely
>on this forum (even when they really mean libel) but there is no question
>that you are crossing a line with these kinds of ridicules and baseless
>comments. Please just stop.
>
>g
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "J Ford" <privatejf32 at hotmail.com>
>To: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 1:46 PM
>Subject: [Vision2020] Wilson's Excuses
>
>
> > During that same "talk" Wilson said he has "welcomed back into the
>church
> > fold, those young men". What does this mean? The children victims and
> > their families, of Sitler and Jamin get to look at his ugly mug no
>matter
> > what function, or service, or gathering is going on. Wilson REFUSED to
> > admit or confirm that Sitler or Jamin would ever be banned from any of
>the
> > above, only that they would be monitored. And remember that just
>because
> > Jamin had his charge reduced (ostensibly because the victim had
>"consented"
> > to Jamin's sexual attention) does not mean that what he did was any less
> > severe an act of child molestation than what Sitler did to his victims.
> > Court technicalities do NOT negate the seriousness of the crime, just
>the
> > perception of the legal system that they are "winning" a case. And as
>far
> > as "Let's Make A Deal Monty" Thompson is concerned, that's better
>looking
> > than a check in the "maybe could win" column any day. He did not want
>to
> > take the chance of the child being up on the stand and explaining to the
> > jury that she wanted and invited Jamin's attentions as he felt that
>would
> > hurt his case. The only thing it hurts is Jamin and the child - WHO
>KNEW
> > THAT CHILD WAS NOT CAPABLE OF MAKING THAT KIND OF RATIONAL DECISION, but
>he
> > went with his sickly-man instincts and did it anyway - repeatedly over a
> > very long period of time. There is NO distinction between Sitler
>hurting
> > 100(+) victims and Jamin hurting one or two victims...once done, it can
>not
> > be undone and the damage is far reaching into that child's life and
>future.
> > Yet, Wilson will allow both of these creeps back into the church, back
>into
> > the fold, back into the activities (do not be fooled by his saying "they
> > will monitored" - just how is Wilson going to do that unless those
>creeps
> > are chained to someone else?) If I were a parent of a child victim of
> > either of these molesters, and a member of that church, I would be doing
> > some serious thinking about continuing the membership at such a church
>as
> > well as the continued "non-pastorship" of Doug Wilson. This is a man
>who
> > has receive ZERO training in pastoring as well ZERO training or
>education in
> > the treatment of child molesters.
> >
> > And let there be NO doubt about it - Sitler and Jamin are CHILD
> > MOLESTERS!!!! And they will repeat their crimes because they simply do
>not
> > wish to change. They may calm down, may even go dormant for a while -
>but
> > they WILL strike again. Anyone willing to sacrifice their child for the
> > ego-growth of their non-pastor? Every time Sitler and Jamin are
>anywhere
> > near a child, that is EXACTLY what you are doing.
> >
> > Oh and lets not forget the lame-assed reasoning of Wilson that he has
> > received their confessions and has forgiven them their crimes, because
> > that's the business he is in. He'll kill a child that disobeys his
>parent,
> > he'll kill any gay just because they are gay, he'll call people he does
>not
> > even know his enemy just because they don't agree with him - but Sitler
>and
> > Jamin, he'll forgive for ruining the lives of innocents! Like he's in
>any
> > position to do either!
> >
> > How about the children victims of those two? Both men are supposed to
>be
> > paying restitution to those victims. Court papers show both are BEHIND
>in
> > doing that. Of course, the CC will hire Sitler when he gets out just as
> > they have done with Jamin. How else are they going to make the money
> > necessary to pay this debt? Well, and now Jamin has two moving
>violations
> > he has to pay for. TWO, in less than two weeks out of jail, Jamin gets
>into
> > trouble - Great start, Jamin. Can't even keep you nose clean long
>enough to
> > travel safely on the very streets children live on!
> >
> > This is the type of monitoring Wilson will be doing? Parents - KNOW
>WHERE
> > YOUR KIDS ARE AND WHO THEY ARE TALKING TO!
> >
> >
> > J :]
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>From: "Art Deco" <deco at moscow.com>
> >>To: "Vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> >>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Gooooooooood Morning, Moscow, Idaho
> >>Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 09:47:28 -0800
> >>
> >>Tom quotes Cultmaster Douglas Wilson:
> >>
> >>"I'll just speak for our church, in Christ Church [sic]. If I found out
> >>that a member of our church or a church officer was lying to
>non-believers
> >>in the community, as a way to get by or protect themself [sic] or
>protect
> >>his reputation, yes, he'd be disciplined."
> >>
> >>This is a very curious statement by the Cultmaster. Even if it is
> >>believed, as improbable as it is given clear and cogent evidence to the
> >>contrary, there are some revealing omissions of several different
> >>categories of lying that are covered by Wilson's statement.
> >>
> >>Would someone be disciplined if they lied to:
> >>
> >>1. Protect the Wilson & Family's Christless Cult & Cash Machine --
>(You
> >>must tolerate us since we do not tolerate anyone else)?
> >>2. Protect Doug Wilson?
> >>3. Protect any of the upper echelon of the cult or their
>wives/children?
> >>4. Obstruct justice by reporting all crimes, no matter how serious,
>and
> >>especially crimes of child sexual abuse, through the cult ward system,
>and
> >>thus to the Cultmaster, instead of and/or before reporting them to the
> >>proper law enforcement agencies?
> >>5. Does the claim of imposed discipline apply to the lies of the
> >>Cultmaster himself? Who would discipline him? The gutless elders,
>almost
> >>all of whom are economically dependent on Cultmaster Wilson? Yeah,
>right.
> >>Etc, etc.
> >>
> >>None of these above acts of falsehood are included in the list of
> >>impermissible lies upon closer examination of Wilson's artful statement.
> >>
> >>And what does "disciplined" mean?
> >>
> >>
> >>For the innocents: This statement and the dog and pony shoe from which
>it
> >>was quoted is another example of how a skilled confidence trickster
> >>operates. A statement is made that seems very open-faced and sincere to
> >>those with relaxed, undeveloped, or rusty crap-detectors. But after
>closer
> >>examination, the statement is found to be not so open-faced, but
>deceptive,
> >>and certainly not believable.
> >>
> >>Other example of this kind of confidence trickster's dishonesty was
> >>Wilson's statement that sexual predator/serial child sexual abuser and
>New
> >>Saint Andrews student James Sitler was not a member of Christ Church.
>In
> >>some technical way, despite being away from his home church in Colville,
> >>Washington, for a long period, it was claimed he was a member there.
> >>However, here's the truth: Sitler attended Christ Church services the
> >>entire time he was here attending New Saint Andrews, a Christ Church
> >>adjunct. Sitler was also boarded by a Christ Church member family whom
>he
> >>rewarded for their graciousness by sexually debauching their young
>children
> >>multiple times.
> >>
> >>Hence, the truth is that James Sitler committed his heinous acts of
> >>depravity while under the auspices of Christ Church and its affiliate,
>New
> >>Saint Andrews. Sitler continued to engage in this egregious preying
>upon
> >>young victims even though several New Saint Andrews students found his
> >>obsession with children to be very troubling and perhaps pathological.
>The
> >>thoughtful reader will also see a connection between point 4 above and
>the
> >>Sitler case. The thoughtful reader may also wonder when Cultmaster
>Wilson
> >>first learned about the probabilities concerning Sitler's sexual
> >>proclivities -- before or after his matriculation at New Saint Andrews.
> >>
> >>Art Deco (Wayne A. Fox)
> >>deco at moscow.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>----- Original Message -----
> >>From: "Tom Hansen" <thansen at moscow.com>
> >>To: "Vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> >>Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 6:02 AM
> >>Subject: [Vision2020] Gooooooooood Morning, Moscow, Idaho
> >>
> >>
> >> > "I'll just speak for our church, in Christ Church. If I found out
>that
> >>a
> >> > member of our church or a church officer was lying to non-believers
>in
> >>the
> >> > community, as a way to get by or protect themself or protect his
> >>reputation,
> >> > yes, he'd be disciplined."
> >> >
> >> > - Doug Wilson (January 31, 2007)
> >> > http://www.tomandrodna.com/Sounds/Doug_Wilson_Liers_013107.mp3
> >> >
> >> > Stay tuned, Moscow.
> >> >
> >> > Tom Hansen
> >> > Moscow, Idaho
> >> >
> >> > ******************************************
> >> >
> >> > "People walking up to you
> >> > Singing glory hallelujah
> >> > And they're trying to sock it to you
> >> > In the name of the Lord."
> >> >
> >> > - Joe South (from "Games People Play")
> >> >
> >> > ******************************************
> >> >
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