[Vision2020] Wilsonista Strikes again
J Ford
privatejf32 at hotmail.com
Fri Feb 9 17:20:30 PST 2007
As "intolerista" is referencing certain group of people and a label that
Wilson has stuck on those people, Wilsonista is very definitely associated
with a certain group and is in no way a reflection on others with the last
name of Wilson. AND, I believe, people are very aware of that distinction.
But thanks for putting that out there. It never hurts to clarify these
things.
J :]
>From: "david sarff" <davesway at hotmail.com>
>To: privatejf32 at hotmail.com, vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Wilsonista Strike again
>Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 00:45:47 +0000
>
>
>This statement J. is referring to is recorded live and was made quite
>recently. It gave me a lot of pause. Also, Mr. Wilson’s come-back to Gier
>about what society in the world was better than the old south is impossible
>to measure and leaves you with the understanding that his view as the old
>south is couched in a higher regard than a whole lot of persons would ever
>touch. It’s pretty clear the Doug is on a huge power trip.
>But I think that Pat, Gary and others raise a very good issue about
>castigating Doug and his followers. Its just not good at all. The person
>who just referred to him as a Quisling is a good example or the term
>Wilsonista, what about others with that last name? That is straight up
>demonisation. Even if the content of the oppositional message is accurate.
>I don’t know that there is an easy way to sort through this kind of social
>situation. But the truth deserves as straight a road as possible.
>Dave
>
>
>
>
>>
>>And whose version of history are you trusting, Pat? Wilson's? Or the
>>established, repeatedly verifiable history of decades and century's past?
>>I mean, just 'cause Wilson says "things would have been different if I had
>>been there" is not enough of a qualifier for most folks and speaks volumes
>>of what he thinks his "powers" to affect are. Sad that you and people
>>like you and Gary are falling for this crap, but....when in
>>kirker-land....
>>
>>Oh, and to be clear - he is REPEATING history - Jim Jones, Vernon Howell,
>>Warren Jeffs,....yep, history being repeated right here in Moscow! So,
>>does he know history enough to not repeat it or just enough TO repeat it?
>>And what "certain parts" would you rather he not repeat and which would
>>you rather he DOES repeat? I mean, which of his thumbs would you like to
>>be under, Pat?
>>
>>As for me and mine...NOT A SINGLE ONE!
>>
>>
>>
>>J :]
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>From: "Pat Kraut" <pkraut at moscow.com>
>>>To: "vision2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Wilsonista Strike again
>>>Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 15:09:40 -0800
>>>
>>>"Its obvious you are just as brainwashed and blind as the rest of the
>>>kirkers. So - when do you take your vows for the church anyway? Or are
>>>you
>>>an "honorary" member
>>>by now?"
>>>Is this the only choice? Is it not possible to know a lot about history
>>>and
>>>no desire to see certain parts repeated?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "J Ford" <privatejf32 at hotmail.com>
>>>To: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>>Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 10:15 AM
>>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Wilsonista Strike again
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Don't know what a "bogeyman" is but I'm sure you are referencing someone
>>>you
>>>are very familiar with or related to. Either way - no thanks!
>>>
>>>As far as kirkers "supporting other businesses" - ONLY when they can not
>>>get
>>>it at a kirker-owned business, can they go outside and make a purchase.
>>>The
>>>back of their directory outlines just what shopping practices they are
>>>supposed observe, the guidelines for shopping "outside" and lists what
>>>kirker-owned businesses there are in town.
>>>
>>>As far as the rest of your drivill - not worth going into. Its obvious
>>>you
>>>are just as brainwashed and blind as the rest of the kirkers. So - when
>>>do
>>>you take your vows for the church anyway? Or are you an "honorary"
>>>member
>>>by now?
>>>
>>>
>>>J :]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> >From: "g. crabtree" <jampot at adelphia.net>
>>> >To: "J Ford" <privatejf32 at hotmail.com>, <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>> >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Wilsonista Strike again
>>> >Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 06:59:39 -0800
>>> >
>>> >Oh yes Ms. Ford, I am serious as a stroke. I don't care that the people
>>>who
>>> >are employed at the various places in question are members of the
>>>Wilson
>>> >fold. They are residents of Moscow. People who own property in Moscow.
>>>(and
>>> >pay property tax in Moscow) They utilize the services of other
>>>businesses
>>> >in Moscow. Eat, shop and recreate in Moscow, and despite your personal
>>> >panics and phobias, over all, these people are good for Moscow's
>>>economy
>>> >and I welcome them as neighbors and fellow citizens. I know that it's
>>> >impossible for you to pass up an opportunity to regurgitate your litany
>>>of
>>> >anti-CC spleen, no matter what the topic might be but, when it comes to
>>> >answering the question of what's impeding healthy growth in Moscow
>>>there
>>> >can be no question that it's not your personal bogeyman.
>>> >
>>> >g
>>> >----- Original Message -----
>>> >From: "J Ford" <privatejf32 at hotmail.com>
>>> >To: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>> >Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 6:10 PM
>>> >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Wilsonista Strike again
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > >
>>> > > Jeez, Gary - you can't be serious! Not one of the things you have
>>> >mentioned
>>> > > that Wilson "created" is for anyone else BUT HIS CHURCH! They do
>>>not
>>> >hire
>>> > > out of the church, therefore the the "payroll" created is bunk. The
>>> >church
>>> > > schools he has "created" buy his own books that his own press
>>>publishes.
>>> > He
>>> > > fires or gets rid of anyone that disagrees with him or whose wife
>>> >displeases
>>> > > him (remember the Canon Press worker whose wife sent him an e-mail
>>>that
>>> >Doug
>>> > > found displeasing?) Elders whose children do things Doug doesn't
>>>like,
>>> >get
>>> > > canned. Only until that child is brought back into what Doug thinks
>>>is
>>> >in
>>> > > line, do the elders get to be back on the big-boy's playing field.
>>> >WOMEN
>>> > > are not allowed to hold any kind of position of power. Taxes, which
>>> >most
>>> > > businesses have to pay, are not paid by CC businesses when they
>>>claim
>>> > > non-profit status. Some of the BIGGEST buildings in the CBD don't
>>>pay
>>> >taxes
>>> > > because of this, leaving the rest of the small businesses down there
>>>to
>>> >pick
>>> > > up the slack. Heck, there are members of that church who plain and
>>> >simply
>>> > > don't pay taxes because they don't agree with them. And just how
>>>many
>>> >CCer
>>> > > businesses have gone under because Doug has a falling out with the
>>> >"owner"
>>> > > of said business? Anyone eat at West of Paris lately - that is NOT
>>> > > associated with the church, that is?
>>> > >
>>> > > Establishing illegal schools, not following the law in regards to
>>>same,
>>> > > demanding and getting special privileges in regards to zoning and
>>> >building
>>> > > developments or permits, support of a serial child molester as well
>>>as
>>> > > another one that should STILL be in jail, not informing the public
>>>about
>>> > > these "men's" activities, promoting the dissolution of several
>>>marriages
>>> > > because Doug is unhappy with one of the spouses, demanding the death
>>>of
>>> > > certain populations within the city, condoning and recommending
>>>slavery
>>> >and
>>> > > then two years after the publication of a book on that subject, he
>>>tries
>>> >a
>>> > > lame excuse like "it really was all about abortion"...yep - sounds
>>>like
>>> >a
>>> > > real benefit to the community, that does.
>>> > >
>>> > > J :]
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >>From: "g. crabtree" <jampot at adelphia.net>
>>> > >>To: "J Ford" <privatejf32 at hotmail.com>, <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>> > >>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Wilsonista Strike again
>>> > >>Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 17:20:20 -0800
>>> > >>
>>> > >>Lets see, on the one hand we have Nancy Chaney, Bob Stout, and last
>>>but
>>> >far
>>> > >>from the least, Aaron Ament. All doing their absolute level best to
>>> >prevent
>>> > >>any kind of growth in Moscow which doesn't meet with their fantasy
>>>ideal
>>> > >>for
>>> > >>our town. (think Mexican beach turtle herding) They enact ordinances
>>> >which
>>> > >>all but scream retail development need not apply and do their best
>>>to
>>> > >>discourage growth of existing businesses.
>>> > >>
>>> > >>On the other hand we have Douglas Wilson, instrumental in the
>>> >development
>>> > >>of
>>> > >>Christ Church, Logos, New St. Andrews, Cannon Press, etc.
>>>Establishments
>>> > >>with employees, customers, and a payroll. Establishments which,
>>>despite
>>> >the
>>> > >>contrary droning of a small but vocal minority, are a benefit to our
>>> >city.
>>> > >>
>>> > >>To imagine that Wilson even comes close to being the destructive,
>>>anti-
>>> > >>growth force in Moscow that our elected city council and mayor
>>> >represents
>>> > >>is
>>> > >>silly, even by comparison to your previous standard, to which I
>>>become
>>> > >>sadly
>>> > >>accustomed.
>>> > >>
>>> > >>g
>>> > >>
>>> > >>----- Original Message -----
>>> > >>From: "J Ford" <privatejf32 at hotmail.com>
>>> > >>To: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>> > >>Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 4:17 PM
>>> > >>Subject: [Vision2020] Wilsonista Strike again
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >> >I met someone today that is part of a non-religious group new to
>>> >Moscow.
>>> > >> > Since being here over the past month, this person has been
>>>INUNDATED
>>> > >>with
>>> > >> > information, warnings and cautions about Wilson and Christ
>>>Church.
>>> >Fact
>>> > >> > is,
>>> > >> > they and their family were warned about Wilson, et al, BEFORE
>>>they
>>> >even
>>> > >> > got
>>> > >> > here by people who don't live in Moscow. They have just heard
>>>and
>>> >seen
>>> > >> > some
>>> > >> > of the mess that has been going on through the paper, people's
>>>word
>>> >of
>>> > >> > mouth
>>> > >> > personal reactions to incidents, the Slavery Book, etc.
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> > Now THAT is just what this town needs - a reputation for breeding
>>> >people
>>> > >> > like Wilson. It no wonder we don't have more businesses looking
>>>here
>>> >to
>>> > >> > open or people non-Wilsonista-connected to move and live here.
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> > Good going, big guy...you're on the map and you're dragging us
>>>down
>>> >with
>>> > >> > you. Ever think of moving to the desert? I hear there's a nice
>>> >bridge
>>> > >> > down
>>> > >> > in Arizona that you might want to build a moat around and declare
>>> >your
>>> > >> > kingdom from.
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> > J :]
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> >>From: "Sue Hovey" <suehovey at moscow.com>
>>> > >> >>To: "Tom Hansen" <thansen at moscow.com>, "'Saundra Lund'"
>>> > >> >><sslund at roadrunner.com>
>>> > >> >>CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
>>> > >> >>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Godwin's Law Strikes Again!
>>> > >> >>Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 10:01:22 -1000
>>> > >> >>
>>> > >> >>Tom and Saundra,
>>> > >> >>
>>> > >> >>I'll be happy to bring coffee and donuts, and I'll even help
>>> >straighten
>>> > >> >>the
>>> > >> >>club room after meetings. However, I will not take minutes, nor
>>>will
>>> >I
>>> > >> >>volunteer to call and inform members of anything. And if you
>>>rent
>>> > >>Kibbie
>>> > >> >>Dome, I'm reconsidering my willingness to help straighten the
>>>club
>>> >room.
>>> > >> >>
>>> > >> >>But thanks for the invite.
>>> > >> >>
>>> > >> >>Sue
>>> > >> >>
>>> > >> >>
>>> > >> >>
>>> > >> >>----- Original Message -----
>>> > >> >>From: "Tom Hansen" <thansen at moscow.com>
>>> > >> >>To: "'Saundra Lund'" <sslund at roadrunner.com>; "'Sue Hovey'"
>>> > >> >><suehovey at moscow.com>
>>> > >> >>Cc: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>> > >> >>Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 3:57 AM
>>> > >> >>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Godwin's Law Strikes Again!
>>> > >> >>
>>> > >> >>
>>> > >> >> > Yes, Sue -
>>> > >> >> >
>>> > >> >> > Welcome to the Intoleristas.
>>> > >> >> >
>>> > >> >> > Until you get better acquainted with the neighborhood, may I
>>> >suggest
>>> > >> >>that
>>> > >> >> > Saundra show you around. As the newest addition to the rank
>>>and
>>> > >>file,
>>> > >> >>you
>>> > >> >> > will be responsible for coffee and donut runs. We meet every
>>>12th
>>> >of
>>> > >> >> > Never.
>>> > >> >> > So, my advice would be "Don't be late."
>>> > >> >> >
>>> > >> >> > Guys, we really must get a larger club house. I hear that
>>>Doug
>>> > >>Wilson
>>> > >> >>can
>>> > >> >> > get us a really sweet deal on renting the Kibbie Dome. How
>>>about
>>> >it?
>>> > >> >> >
>>> > >> >> > Welcome aboard,
>>> > >> >> >
>>> > >> >> > Tom Hansen
>>> > >> >> > Intolerista Sergeant-at-Arms
>>> > >> >> > Moscow, Idaho
>>> > >> >> >
>>> > >> >> > "If not us, who?
>>> > >> >> > If not now, when?"
>>> > >> >> >
>>> > >> >> > - Unknown
>>> > >> >> >
>>> > >> >> > -----Original Message-----
>>> > >> >> >
>>> > >> >> > From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com
>>> > >> >>[mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
>>> > >> >> > On Behalf Of Saundra Lund
>>> > >> >> > Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 10:21 PM
>>> > >> >> > To: 'Sue Hovey'
>>> > >> >> > Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
>>> > >> >> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Godwin's Law Strikes Again!
>>> > >> >> >
>>> > >> >> > In part, Sue Hovey wrote:
>>> > >> >> > "Our relationship is finished, done. over."
>>> > >> >> >
>>> > >> >> > WELCOME TO THE CLUB! We're glad to have you :-)))
>>> > >> >> >
>>> > >> >> >
>>> > >> >> > Saundra Lund
>>> > >> >> > Moscow, ID
>>> > >> >> >
>>> > >> >> > The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good
>>> >people
>>> > >>to
>>> > >> >>do
>>> > >> >> > nothing.
>>> > >> >> > - Edmund Burke
>>> > >> >> >
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>>> > >> >>Lund.
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