[Vision2020] Pastor Wilson is as slippery as ever

Fri Feb 2 18:18:17 PST 2007

Gary,

It's been obvious that you've needed the help provided at the following link for a long time.

http://www.abcteach.com/directory/reading_comprehension/

I clearly stated in the first sentence you quoted that at one time I liked Eric Burnett even though I disagreed with his religious views and cult membership.  Did I not use words short enough so that even you could understand them?

What changed my mind was neither his religious views nor his cult membership but his claiming to be a Christian at the same post-cafe-ownership time exhibiting exuberant hypocritical willingness to work vigorously and to sacrifice for a person who is an unabashed liar, user, and transparently egregious hypocrite.

Many people are shocked to find out that some people will stand around unconcerned while a mugging takes place.  Burnett's behavior is much worse than that -- he joins in the mugging with gusto.

Your pathetic attempts to not only exaggerate but to directly lie about what my post said is certainly a reflection on your character.  But your post does support what is known as the Rorschach Theory of Interpretation at one point.

I am glad to see that my view of your character has not been affected by your refusal to see and/or to comment upon the clear evidence of the Cultmaster's dishonesty found at the beginning of the post you commented upon especially given the context where Cultmaster Wilson so willingly and openly demonstrated his arrogant disdain for veracity.  It must be nice to be untroubled by such obvious lies especially when they are used to fleece money from the gullible.  Is that part of your beloved totally free enterprise model?

As to the alleged rumor which so troubles you, the unnamed person who was the target knows that it is not just a rumor.  Best for that person to remember "Old sins cast long shadows." -- Anon.  Verifiable accounts of ugly, dishonorable, unjustifiable behaviors from the past sometimes pop up in the most interesting and unpredictable ways at the worst possible times.

Art Deco (Wayne A. Fox)
deco at moscow.com

----- Original Message ----- 
From: g. crabtree 
To: Art Deco ; Vision 2020 
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 5:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Pastor Wilson is as slippery as ever

Mr. Fox, I think that this paragraph says quite a bit more about your character than it does Mr. Burnett's...

"Example:  Though I never agreed with him on cult matters I used to like and respect Eric Burnett (former hard working proprietor of Eric's Cafe).  No more.  In the light of his continuing to work vigorously for and to promulgate the cult knowing what a liar and hypocrite Cultmaster Douglas Wilson is, he has lost my respect and caused me to wonder if his endorsement of Wilson's continual and outright dishonesty might be an indication of Burnett's own true character and actions.  I have to wonder the same thing about some of Wilson's local apologists who are not even members of the cult (yet)."

In other words, I thought he was a fine fellow until it turned out that he didn't agree with every inerrant thought and incontrovertible stance I've ever held so I flung him under the bus. I guess there's not much room for a variety of viewpoints in Wayne's World. (as a putative apologist doe this mean that I'm not worthy?)

While on the topic of character revealed, your innuendo and unspecified rumor mongering speaks much more eloquently and forcefully about you than it does about the target(s) of your attempted assassination.

g

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Art Deco 
  To: Vision 2020 
  Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 8:42 AM
  Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Pastor Wilson is as slippery as ever

  Nick Writes:

  "Second, again Wilson claimed that at no time did any of his institutions display the Confederate Flag or portraits of Robert E. Lee."

  From the Logos fourth grade classroom at one time in the past, while Logos was (and still is) under Wilson's direct participation and control -- photo by a parent of a Logos School student:

  Perhaps some of those new to Vision 2020 are surprised that Cultmaster Douglas Wilson would tell such a transparent, character revealing lie.

  Douglas Wilson does not expect those of us in the know to believe this stupid lie.  He is speaking to the members of his cult and others in the CREC who take his word as gospel (think of an adroit confidence person of little conscience selling Florida swampland as mountain top retreats to the easily exploitable).  

  Even to those within the fold who know that many of the Cultmaster's public statements are dishonest, hypocritical, and/or fraudulent, they have been gulled into accepting his applicable-to-almost-anything Doctrine of Covenantal Dishonesty:  Anything can be justified if it furthers the goals of the covenant [read the cult] and/or God [read Douglas Wilson].  

  Further, since almost all the elders of the Wilson & Family's Christless Cult & Cash Machine -- (You must tolerate us since we do not tolerate anyone else) are economically dependent on Wilson's various businesses, none have the guts or the integrity to perform their honest-to-goodness role as elders to hold Wilson accountable for his words and actions and to oust him from an alleged Christian church for what is a continual display of Anti-Christ let alone hypocritical/dishonest behavior.

  Example:  Though I never agreed with him on cult matters I used to like and respect Eric Burnett (former hard working proprietor of Eric's Cafe).  No more.  In the light of his continuing to work vigorously for and to promulgate the cult knowing what a liar and hypocrite Cultmaster Douglas Wilson is, he has lost my respect and caused me to wonder if his endorsement of Wilson's continual and outright dishonesty might be an indication of Burnett's own true character and actions.  I have to wonder the same thing about some of Wilson's local apologists who are not even members of the cult (yet).

  There are some others in the upper echelons of the cult I have always thought of as liars, and in addition, I have good reason to believe one has been a sexual predator preying on coeds in the past.  "Old sins have long shadows." -- Anon.

  It is a very sad commentary on the human condition when a transparent lair, flimflammer, hypocrite, control freak, egomaniac, but skilled manipulator from Moscow, Idaho can convince even one person, let alone a few hundred others, that out of all the hundreds of thousands of conflicting but unverifiable visions of so-called "eternal truths," his is the only true vision.  Even sadder is the thought of all the money he has sucked out of these deluded marks to promulgate his own wealth and ambition.  The well-known two snippets of wisdom about fools and suckers by P. T. Barnum is certainly applicable here.

  Wayne A. Fox
  1009 Karen Lane
  PO Box 9421
  Moscow, ID  83843

  (208) 882-7975
  waf at moscow.com

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: <nickgier at adelphia.net>
  To: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
  Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 10:54 PM
  Subject: [Vision2020] Pastor Wilson is as slippery as ever

  > Greetings:
  > 
  > I just returned from Wilson's response to the "My Town" documentary.  There was no panel as promised, bu just Da Man talkin'.  I may have something else to say about the evening, but I will now limit my post to two points.
  > 
  > First, Wilson now disassociates his Paleo-Confederacy from anything having to do with the historical Southern Confederacy.  He now says it is simply the original American republic with Senators being appointed by the states. 
  > 
  > He now also disagrees with the Founding Fathers about saying that only propertied males could vote.  The New Doug Wilson now says that he never said that women could not vote.  (He would now only exempt students from voting because they do not own property!) In the excerpt below and in "My Town" he of course says something very different.  
  > 
  > Second, again Wilson claimed that at no time did any of his institutions display the Confederate Flag or portraits of Robert E. Lee.
  > 
  > But our own Wayne Fox has posted a Lee portrait hanging in a Logos School Room several times on this list (please do it again), and a visiting Calvinist pastor wrote to the Daily News testifying that the Confederate flag was hanging in Wilson's office when he once visited.
  > 
  > And then there is Wilson's own confession in a story in the Spokesman Review, which I've excerpted below.
  > 
  > I've worked with reporter Shawn Vestal before on faculty union issues and he is top notch.  I called him and asked him if this is what Wilson said, and he was offended that he would ask him such a question.  "Of course Wilson said this; otherwise I would not have written it!"
  > 
  > Old-school Controversy surrounds New Saint Andrews College 
  > 
  > Shawn Vestal 
  > Staff writer for the Spokesman Review 
  > October 22, 2006 
  > 
  > Wilson echoed that comment but said he might be fairly described as 
  > "paleo-confederate" - favoring many ideas of the Southern confederacy, such 
  > as agrarian living, opposition to a strong central government, voting based 
  > on property ownership and a focus on traditional family and community, but 
  > not slavery. . . .
  > 
  > He acknowledges that portraits of Lee and Confederate flags have adorned 
  > office and school walls at times and says that he believes in some - but not 
  > all - of the tenets on which the Southern confederacy was built: a society 
  > centered around God and belief, a simple farming life as opposed to a hectic 
  > modern one, and an emphasis on traditional family and community. . . .
  > 
  > Nick Gier, Proud Intolerista
  > Intolerance is a virtue when one is intolerant of dishonesty, deception, evasion, bigotry, and bad manners.
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