[Vision2020] Attendees At UN Climate Conference Pay ForConference Associated CO2 Emissions

[lfalen]

Thanks for posting this
Roger
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From: "g. crabtree" jampot at roadrunner.com
Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 07:59:49 -0800
To: "lfalen" lfalen at turbonet.com, "Ted Moffett" starbliss at gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Attendees At UN Climate Conference Pay ForConference Associated CO2 Emissions

> I generally hate to post news items to this list but, for those of you 
> who've been afraid to light their Yule logs for fear of their carbon 
> footprint going up half a shoe size read this, take a deep breath, and relax 
> a little.
> 
> http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.Blogs&ContentRecord_id=c9554887-802a-23ad-4303-68f67ebd151c
> 
> Anybody out there that was planning on giving any of their friends or 
> relatives a nice card and a bunch of bogus carbon credits may want to 
> reconsider. Fire up that old coal powered sleigh and go over the river and 
> through the woods to see Grandmother. She'll appreciate it.
> 
> g
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "lfalen" <lfalen at turbonet.com>
> To: "Ted Moffett" <starbliss at gmail.com>
> Cc: "Vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 2:43 PM
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Attendees At UN Climate Conference Pay 
> ForConference Associated CO2 Emissions
> 
> 
> > Ted
> > Buying carbon credits is fine if you have money to do so. However if you 
> > truly beliive what you preach, you would practice all conceivable carbon 
> > reducing measures. Just buying credits and continuing to pollute does not 
> > cut it. As I have said before oil is finite and efforts should be made to 
> > fine alternative sources. To install the horrendous measures advocated by 
> > most of these people would stifle the economy and will not work in the 
> > long run. The proper role of government is to give incentives to the 
> > private sector to fine ways to reduce emissions and develop alternative 
> > energy sources.
> > Roger
> > -----Original message-----
> > From: "Ted Moffett" starbliss at gmail.com
> > Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2007 19:55:26 -0800
> > To: lfalen lfalen at turbonet.com
> > Subject: Attendees At UN Climate Conference Pay For Conference Associated 
> > CO2 Emissions
> >
> >> Roger et. al.
> >>
> >> Many bought carbon credits to offset their CO2 emissions associated
> >> with attending the UN Climate Change Conference in Bali.  So they are
> >> practicing what they preach.  If all of us now started to pay for the
> >> current and future economic costs of our CO2 emissions, economies and
> >> lifestyles would adjust, and CO2 reducing technologies become more
> >> widespread, to lower the carbon loading of the atmosphere.
> >>
> >> These economic issues are very complex, and integrating a wise use of
> >> regulation with free market incentives is a difficult problem.  Some
> >> approaches will not work.  But experimenting with ways for the real
> >> long term costs of CO2 emissions to now start being paid for, must be
> >> accomplished one way or another.
> >>
> >> The so called free market will not be faced with the extreme costs of
> >> catastrophic climate change soon enough for the marketplace to address
> >> the problem before atmospheric CO2 levels become dangerously high.
> >> The pursuit of profit in the short term offers weak incentives to
> >> address severe economic impacts that are 50-100 years away.  But as
> >> the Stern report, and other economic and scientific studies of
> >> anthropogenic climate change have revealed, the costs of significantly
> >> lowering CO2 emissions now, and lessening climate change, are less
> >> than ignoring the problem and facing the long term climate change
> >> related economic impacts, that will occur without significant lowering
> >> of emissions.
> >>
> >> http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601170&refer=home&sid=aPbfclqokwcw
> >>
> >> From website above:
> >>
> >> The U.K.'s 40-person team will have their emissions neutralized
> >> through a central government fund, a spokeswoman for the country's
> >> environment department said.
> >>
> >> EU Environment Commissioner Stavros Dimas and three of his staff are
> >> buying so-called carbon credits, each representing a reduction of a
> >> ton of carbon dioxide, on the EU Emissions Trading Scheme, commission
> >> spokeswoman Barbara Helfferich said in a telephone interview.
> >> ------------------------------------------
> >> Vision2020 Post: Ted Moffett
> >>
> >> On Dec 5, 2007 11:03 AM, lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com> wrote:
> >> > It seems somewhat hypocritical to me for these people to fly to Bali 
> >> > and create added pollution in doing so. Why not hold a tele conference. 
> >> > Lets practice what we preach.
> >> > Roger
> >> >
> >> > -----Original message-----
> >> > From: "Ted Moffett" starbliss at gmail.com
> >> > Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2007 00:56:30 -0800
> >> > To: "Vision 2020" vision2020 at moscow.com
> >> > Subject: [Vision2020] Bali:UN Climate Change Conference:Australia 
> >> > GetsStanding Ovation Ratifying Kyoto
> >> >
> >> > > http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2007/12/04/2108567.htm
> >> > >
> >> > > During the United Nations Climate Change (UNCC) conference in Bali,
> >> > > delegates broke into spontaneous applause when news of Australia's
> >> > > decision was announced yesterday.
> >> > >
> >> > > Some delegates of the 12-day conference gave the Australian 
> >> > > delegation
> >> > > a standing ovation.
> >> > > -----------------------------
> >> > > Vision2020 Post: Ted Moffett
> >> > >
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