[Vision2020] Attendees At UN Climate Conference Pay ForConference Associated CO2 Emissions

[g. crabtree]

I generally hate to post news items to this list but, for those of you 
who've been afraid to light their Yule logs for fear of their carbon 
footprint going up half a shoe size read this, take a deep breath, and relax 
a little.

http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.Blogs&ContentRecord_id=c9554887-802a-23ad-4303-68f67ebd151c

Anybody out there that was planning on giving any of their friends or 
relatives a nice card and a bunch of bogus carbon credits may want to 
reconsider. Fire up that old coal powered sleigh and go over the river and 
through the woods to see Grandmother. She'll appreciate it.

g
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "lfalen" <lfalen at turbonet.com>
To: "Ted Moffett" <starbliss at gmail.com>
Cc: "Vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 2:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Attendees At UN Climate Conference Pay 
ForConference Associated CO2 Emissions


> Ted
> Buying carbon credits is fine if you have money to do so. However if you 
> truly beliive what you preach, you would practice all conceivable carbon 
> reducing measures. Just buying credits and continuing to pollute does not 
> cut it. As I have said before oil is finite and efforts should be made to 
> fine alternative sources. To install the horrendous measures advocated by 
> most of these people would stifle the economy and will not work in the 
> long run. The proper role of government is to give incentives to the 
> private sector to fine ways to reduce emissions and develop alternative 
> energy sources.
> Roger
> -----Original message-----
> From: "Ted Moffett" starbliss at gmail.com
> Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2007 19:55:26 -0800
> To: lfalen lfalen at turbonet.com
> Subject: Attendees At UN Climate Conference Pay For Conference Associated 
> CO2 Emissions
>
>> Roger et. al.
>>
>> Many bought carbon credits to offset their CO2 emissions associated
>> with attending the UN Climate Change Conference in Bali.  So they are
>> practicing what they preach.  If all of us now started to pay for the
>> current and future economic costs of our CO2 emissions, economies and
>> lifestyles would adjust, and CO2 reducing technologies become more
>> widespread, to lower the carbon loading of the atmosphere.
>>
>> These economic issues are very complex, and integrating a wise use of
>> regulation with free market incentives is a difficult problem.  Some
>> approaches will not work.  But experimenting with ways for the real
>> long term costs of CO2 emissions to now start being paid for, must be
>> accomplished one way or another.
>>
>> The so called free market will not be faced with the extreme costs of
>> catastrophic climate change soon enough for the marketplace to address
>> the problem before atmospheric CO2 levels become dangerously high.
>> The pursuit of profit in the short term offers weak incentives to
>> address severe economic impacts that are 50-100 years away.  But as
>> the Stern report, and other economic and scientific studies of
>> anthropogenic climate change have revealed, the costs of significantly
>> lowering CO2 emissions now, and lessening climate change, are less
>> than ignoring the problem and facing the long term climate change
>> related economic impacts, that will occur without significant lowering
>> of emissions.
>>
>> http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601170&refer=home&sid=aPbfclqokwcw
>>
>> From website above:
>>
>> The U.K.'s 40-person team will have their emissions neutralized
>> through a central government fund, a spokeswoman for the country's
>> environment department said.
>>
>> EU Environment Commissioner Stavros Dimas and three of his staff are
>> buying so-called carbon credits, each representing a reduction of a
>> ton of carbon dioxide, on the EU Emissions Trading Scheme, commission
>> spokeswoman Barbara Helfferich said in a telephone interview.
>> ------------------------------------------
>> Vision2020 Post: Ted Moffett
>>
>> On Dec 5, 2007 11:03 AM, lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com> wrote:
>> > It seems somewhat hypocritical to me for these people to fly to Bali 
>> > and create added pollution in doing so. Why not hold a tele conference. 
>> > Lets practice what we preach.
>> > Roger
>> >
>> > -----Original message-----
>> > From: "Ted Moffett" starbliss at gmail.com
>> > Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2007 00:56:30 -0800
>> > To: "Vision 2020" vision2020 at moscow.com
>> > Subject: [Vision2020] Bali:UN Climate Change Conference:Australia 
>> > GetsStanding Ovation Ratifying Kyoto
>> >
>> > > http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2007/12/04/2108567.htm
>> > >
>> > > During the United Nations Climate Change (UNCC) conference in Bali,
>> > > delegates broke into spontaneous applause when news of Australia's
>> > > decision was announced yesterday.
>> > >
>> > > Some delegates of the 12-day conference gave the Australian 
>> > > delegation
>> > > a standing ovation.
>> > > -----------------------------
>> > > Vision2020 Post: Ted Moffett
>> > >
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