[Vision2020] Conservatives and Hypocrisy: The Lies of LarryCraig

Sunil Ramalingam sunilramalingam at hotmail.com
Sun Dec 2 16:53:38 PST 2007

It's strange how no one takes him at his word.  The bastards who judge him would probably refuse to take O.J. at his word, should he testify at his next trial that he's not guilty of these new charges.  And why not?  I mean, no one could know better than O.J., right?  Neither has a motive to lie, right?


From: jampot at roadrunner.com
To: donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com; gray.treecrab.aka.big.bertha at gmail.com; vision2020 at moscow.com
Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 12:38:39 -0800
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Conservatives and Hypocrisy: The Lies of LarryCraig

I could certainly have done without that pseudo 
news item, the graphic descriptions of sexual nastiness in particular. How come 
no one takes Craig at his word with regard to his sexuality. After all, no one 
would know better than him. It's not too large a stretch of the imagination to 
believe that a tactic such as this might be used to damage an effective 
conservative legislator.

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  Donovan Arnold 
  To: Gray Tree Crab aka Big 
  Bertha ; vision2020 at moscow.com 
  Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2007 9:25 
  Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Conservatives 
  and Hypocrisy: The Lies of LarryCraig

  "Mike Jones, 50, told the Statesman Craig paid him $200 for sex on a 
  night between November 2004 and March 2005. Jones said he recognized Craig 
  only after August."
  This guy, Mike Jones, seems to have a history of sleeping with 
  prominent gay conservatives and telling the public about it. You think they 
  would learn, stay away from Mike Jones, he kisses and tells. 
  I also wonder why Larry Craig would think sleeping around with other men 
  would not eventually become known as public knowledge. Doesn't he know that 
  both Republicans and Democrats in Idaho hate Gays? Doesn't he know that they 
  are both arrogant of the issue and crucify you?
  I also wonder why it is considered OK by the public for Dan Popkey 
  to investigate and report on the sexuality of an person. Seems like an odd 
  Let me also point out, that lots and lots of conservative, liberal, and 
  moderate men, including straight married men with children, occasionally 
  have sexual relationships with younger men and women outside their marriage. I 
  don't understand why it is news, and why we and their families got to read 
  about. The fact that Larry Craig is bisexual, or gay, is not news, it is 
  political assassination. It is public humiliation of Idaho and a man 
  who has served this state and citizens for decades.  

Gray Tree Crab aka Big Bertha 
  <gray.treecrab.aka.big.bertha at gmail.com> wrote:
          December 2, 2007

    Men allege having sex, encounters with Craig 
Idaho Statesman
December 2, 2007 
    BOISE – David Phillips. Mike Jones. Greg Ruth. Tom Russell.
    Four gay men, willing to put their names in print and whose allegations 
    can't be disproved, have come forward since news of U.S. Sen. Larry Craig's 
    guilty plea. They say they had sex with Craig or that he made a sexual 
    advance or paid them unusual attention.
    They are telling their stories now because they are offended by Craig's 
    denials, including his famous statement, "I am not gay. I never have been 
    gay, " spoken on live national TV on Aug. 28.
David Phillips is a 42-year-old 
    information technology consultant in Washington, D.C., who says Craig picked 
    him up at a gay club in 1986 and that they subsequently had sex.
    Mike Jones is a former prostitute who told the world he had sex with 
    the Rev. Ted Haggard last year. The former Colorado Springs evangelist at 
    first denied it but eventually confessed. Jones says Craig paid him for sex 
    in late 2004 or early 2005.
    Greg Ruth was a 24-year-old college Republican in 1981 when he says he 
    was hit on by Craig at a GOP meeting in Coeur d'Alene.
    Tom Russell, 48, is a former Nampa resident who lives in Utah. Russell 
    said his encounter with Craig occurred at Idaho's Bogus Basin Mountain 
    Recreation Area in the early 1980s.
    A fifth gay man, who is from Boise but who declined to be named for 
    fear of retaliation, said he was in a men's restroom at Denver International 
    Airport in September 2006 when the man in the next stall moved his hand 
    slowly, palm up, under the divider. Alarmed, the man said he waited outside 
    the restroom and then identified the man in the adjoining stall as Craig, 
    whom he had met in Idaho.
    Craig, 62, says he was a victim of "profiling" when he was arrested 
    June 11 at Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport on allegations of 
    soliciting sex from an undercover police officer in an adjoining stall in a 
    men's restroom. Craig pleaded guilty to disorderly conduct in August. He is 
    appealing his conviction, financed by his 2008 re-election fund. Because of 
    the scandal, Craig has said that after 33 years in state and national 
    office, he will not seek re-election next year. Craig also faces a Senate 
    Ethics Committee inquiry, which was requested by Senate GOP 
    In October 2006, Craig directly denied the claims of a blogger who 
    reported he'd spoken with three anonymous sources who said they had sex with 
    In May 2007, after hearing a tape of an accuser who said he and Craig 
    had sex in two men's restrooms at Washington, D.C.'s Union Station rail 
    depot, Craig said, "I am not gay." 
    Craig declined comment on this story. He stopped replying to questions 
    from the Statesman after the paper's Aug. 28 report that included the 
    accounts of three unnamed men, one who said he had sex with Craig and two 
    who said he solicited them for sex. But Craig's staff told other media the 
    allegations by Phillips and Jones were false.David 

    David Phillips' account was first published Oct. 25 at Wonkette.com, a liberal Web site. Shortly 
    after The Spokesman-Review linked to the story on Oct. 26, Craig spokesman 
    Sid Smith replied on a blog that "there is not a shred of truth to this." In 
    a tape-recorded interview with the Statesman, the 1985 graduate of Rice 
    University said he met Craig on a weekday afternoon between May and August 
    1986 at a gay strip club called La Cage Aux Follies in Washington, D.C. 
    Phillips said he mistakenly told Wonkette the incident happened in 
    Phillips, then 21, said he and Craig talked and then hugged. According 
    to Phillips, Craig said he didn't feel comfortable at the club and suggested 
    they leave. Phillips had his car, but Craig hailed a cab, with Phillips 
    following him to Capitol Hill. 
    On the way to an upstairs bedroom, Phillips said Craig told him, 
    "You've never been here. You don't know me." Phillips said Craig removed his 
    suit coat but otherwise remained dressed.
    He said Craig first performed oral sex on him, and that they then had 
    anal sex. Afterward, Phillips said, Craig pressed Phillips to leave. He said 
    Craig stuck $20 in his pocket and said, "I can buy and sell your ass a 
    thousand times over. You were never here." Phillips said he saw a note card 
    addressed to Suzanne Craig as he left the house. But he said he never 
    recognized Craig as his sex partner until the recent story broke and he 
    heard Craig's distinctive and formal voice on TV.
    "I didn't hear that voice again until August," Phillips said. "Then 
    that 'I can buy and sell your ass a thousand times' came back to me. It just 
    all rolled back so vividly." Smith, the Craig spokesman, said in his blog 
    posting after the Wonkette report that Phillips should not be believed 
    because Craig did not live on Capitol Hill in 1987, but on his boat at the 
    Capitol Yacht Club.Mike Jones

    Mike Jones, 50, told the Statesman Craig paid him $200 for sex on a 
    night between November 2004 and March 2005. Jones said he recognized Craig 
    only after August.
    After Craig said on Oct. 4 that he would complete his term in 2009 and 
    appeared on NBC on Oct. 16, Jones went on the record with the Statesman, 
    describing a sexual encounter with Craig. 
    Jones told the Statesman in a tape-recorded interview that a man phoned 
    to make an appointment, not giving his name. The man, whom Jones later 
    recognized as Craig, then arrived at a studio apartment in downtown Denver. 
    Craig asked whether Jones followed politics but then quickly changed the 
    subject. Jones said he deduced that his client response was a 
    Craig removed his coat and dress shirt, leaving his T-shirt, slacks and 
    shoes on when he climbed onto Jones's massage table. Craig asked that Jones 
    be naked. Craig undid his own zipper and masturbated while performing oral 
    sex on Jones. When Craig finished, he paid Jones $200 and left.
    Jones said he kept no records on his escort clients and that he 
    advertised his "massage" services exclusively in gay publications.
    Craig was in Denver on Feb. 11, 2005, and in nearby Keystone, Colo., on 
    Feb. 12. On Feb. 12, he attended a meeting at the Keystone Center, a policy 
    think tank. Craig's Senate travel records also show six other trips where 
    Craig may have had layovers in Denver between November 2004 and March 
    Dan Whiting, a Craig spokesman, told TV station KIVI, "Mike Jones is 
    lying in order to sell his book … plain and simple. Larry has never met Mike 
    Jones has written a book about his experience with Haggard, who 
    resigned in November 2006 as president of the National Evangelical 
    Association and was forced out as pastor of New Life Church after Jones came 
    forward with voice mails. Greg Ruth

    Greg Ruth attended the Republican Western Roundup in Coeur d'Alene in 
    October 1981, where he said Craig made a sexual advance. At the time, Craig 
    was a 36-year-old bachelor and first-year congressman and Ruth was a 
    24-year-old college Republican from the University of Puget Sound.
    Ruth, who is openly gay , told the Statesman in a tape-recorded 
    interview that Craig paid him unusual attention at the political 
    Ruth said he excused himself to use the restroom, but that Craig soon 
    entered and stood next to Ruth at the urinal, looking at Ruth's penis.
    "He looked over and said, 'Hi,' " Ruth said. "But he didn't touch me or 
    anything like that. And then after we finished urinating, we washed 
    "He gave me his phone number and he said, 'If you ever get to D.C., 
    call me. You can stay with me.' "
    Ruth, now a professional photographer, said he never followed up and 
    lost the slip of paper with Craig's number. But Ruth said he has no doubt 
    Craig was making a sexual advance. "I'm gay, and I knew he was hitting on 
    me," Ruth said. "There's no question about that."Unnamed man

    Another gay man, a 46-year-old professional from Boise, told the 
    Statesman that Craig reached his hand into his restroom stall in September 
    2006 during a layover at the Denver airport. The man, who travels in 
    political circles, had met Craig before. He asked that he not be 
    The man said he was flying from Boise to Washington, D.C., on the same 
    flights as Craig and his wife. 
    During the layover in Denver, the man said, he was in a men's restroom 
    stall when a hand came under the divider and reached toward him. The hand 
    was palm up, as the officer in Minnesota also described, and slid toward him 
    for two or three seconds. The man said he noticed unpolished, dark, lace-up 
    shoes worn by the man in the next stall. He did not respond to the 
    The man said he then waited outside the men's restroom. Shortly after, 
    a man wearing the shoes he saw in the adjacent stall exited. He recognized 
    the man as Craig.
    After boarding the second flight, the man told his partner about the 
    incident. The partner confirmed to the Statesman having heard the details of 
    Craig's advance that day.Tom Russell

    Tom Russell, 48, a Nampa native who lives in Utah, was among three men 
    who contacted the Statesman about what they described as unusually attentive 
    behavior on Craig's part. Russell spoke in a tape-recorded interview.
    Russell worked as a food service manager at Bogus Basin ski resort and 
    said his encounter probably occurred in the 1983-84 ski season. Russell had 
    heard rumors Craig was gay.
    Russell, who is openly gay, said he set out to engage Craig "and 
    attempted to show a personal interest … not in a suggestive way … but a 
    personal interest to see if he would respond."
    "I recall that he was very delighted to talk to me – smiling, happy, 
    very delighted – and that he had suggested that we could get together 
    sometime," he said. Russell said he became convinced Craig was gay because 
    he used subtle signals consistent with communication between gay men in 
    public places.
    Nothing came of the meeting, Russell said. But he came forward now 
    because he is offended by Craig's denials.
    "I'm disgusted because it's hypocritical, and he's lying. He's lying 
    through his teeth. Heterosexual men do not behave like 

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