[Vision2020] Conservatives and Hypocrisy: The Lies of LarryCraig

g. crabtree jampot at roadrunner.com
Sun Dec 2 16:47:46 PST 2007

Senator Craig plead guilty to disorderly conduct not soliciting sexual 
deviancy in a public restroom. Facts; they can be pesky but not overlooked.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andreas Schou" <ophite at gmail.com>
To: "g. crabtree" <jampot at roadrunner.com>
Cc: "Donovan Arnold" <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>; "Gray Tree Crab aka Big 
Bertha" <gray.treecrab.aka.big.bertha at gmail.com>; <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2007 4:36 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Conservatives and Hypocrisy: The Lies of 

On Dec 2, 2007 12:38 PM, g. crabtree <jampot at roadrunner.com> wrote:
> I could certainly have done without that pseudo news item, the graphic
> descriptions of sexual nastiness in particular. How come no one takes 
> Craig
> at his word with regard to his sexuality. After all, no one would know
> better than him. It's not too large a stretch of the imagination to 
> believe
> that a tactic such as this might be used to damage an effective 
> conservative
> legislator.

It is not too large a stretch of the imagination to believe that
someone who pleads guilty to soliciting gay sex in restrooms is guilty
of soliciting gay sex in restrooms.

-- ACS

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Donovan Arnold
> To: Gray Tree Crab aka Big Bertha ; vision2020 at moscow.com
> Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2007 9:25 AM
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Conservatives and Hypocrisy: The Lies of
> LarryCraig
> "Mike Jones, 50, told the Statesman Craig paid him $200 for sex on a night
> between November 2004 and March 2005. Jones said he recognized Craig only
> after August."
> This guy, Mike Jones, seems to have a history of sleeping with prominent 
> gay
> conservatives and telling the public about it. You think they would learn,
> stay away from Mike Jones, he kisses and tells.
> I also wonder why Larry Craig would think sleeping around with other men
> would not eventually become known as public knowledge. Doesn't he know 
> that
> both Republicans and Democrats in Idaho hate Gays? Doesn't he know that 
> they
> are both arrogant of the issue and crucify you?
> I also wonder why it is considered OK by the public for Dan Popkey to
> investigate and report on the sexuality of an person. Seems like an odd
> obsession.
> Let me also point out, that lots and lots of conservative, liberal, and
> moderate men, including straight married men with children, occasionally
> have sexual relationships with younger men and women outside their 
> marriage.
> I don't understand why it is news, and why we and their families got to 
> read
> about. The fact that Larry Craig is bisexual, or gay, is not news, it is
> political assassination. It is public humiliation of Idaho and a man who 
> has
> served this state and citizens for decades.
> Best,
> Donovan
> Gray Tree Crab aka Big Bertha <gray.treecrab.aka.big.bertha at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>  Sunday, December 2, 2007
> Men allege having sex, encounters with Craig
> Dan Popkey
> Idaho Statesman
> December 2, 2007
> BOISE – David Phillips. Mike Jones. Greg Ruth. Tom Russell.
> Four gay men, willing to put their names in print and whose allegations
> can't be disproved, have come forward since news of U.S. Sen. Larry 
> Craig's
> guilty plea. They say they had sex with Craig or that he made a sexual
> advance or paid them unusual attention.
> They are telling their stories now because they are offended by Craig's
> denials, including his famous statement, "I am not gay. I never have been
> gay, " spoken on live national TV on Aug. 28.
> David Phillips is a 42-year-old information technology consultant in
> Washington, D.C., who says Craig picked him up at a gay club in 1986 and
> that they subsequently had sex.
> Mike Jones is a former prostitute who told the world he had sex with the
> Rev. Ted Haggard last year. The former Colorado Springs evangelist at 
> first
> denied it but eventually confessed. Jones says Craig paid him for sex in
> late 2004 or early 2005.
> Greg Ruth was a 24-year-old college Republican in 1981 when he says he was
> hit on by Craig at a GOP meeting in Coeur d'Alene.
> Tom Russell, 48, is a former Nampa resident who lives in Utah. Russell 
> said
> his encounter with Craig occurred at Idaho's Bogus Basin Mountain 
> Recreation
> Area in the early 1980s.
> A fifth gay man, who is from Boise but who declined to be named for fear 
> of
> retaliation, said he was in a men's restroom at Denver International 
> Airport
> in September 2006 when the man in the next stall moved his hand slowly, 
> palm
> up, under the divider. Alarmed, the man said he waited outside the 
> restroom
> and then identified the man in the adjoining stall as Craig, whom he had 
> met
> in Idaho.
> Craig, 62, says he was a victim of "profiling" when he was arrested June 
> 11
> at Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport on allegations of soliciting
> sex from an undercover police officer in an adjoining stall in a men's
> restroom. Craig pleaded guilty to disorderly conduct in August. He is
> appealing his conviction, financed by his 2008 re-election fund. Because 
> of
> the scandal, Craig has said that after 33 years in state and national
> office, he will not seek re-election next year. Craig also faces a Senate
> Ethics Committee inquiry, which was requested by Senate GOP leadership.
> In October 2006, Craig directly denied the claims of a blogger who 
> reported
> he'd spoken with three anonymous sources who said they had sex with Craig.
> In May 2007, after hearing a tape of an accuser who said he and Craig had
> sex in two men's restrooms at Washington, D.C.'s Union Station rail depot,
> Craig said, "I am not gay."
> Craig declined comment on this story. He stopped replying to questions 
> from
> the Statesman after the paper's Aug. 28 report that included the accounts 
> of
> three unnamed men, one who said he had sex with Craig and two who said he
> solicited them for sex. But Craig's staff told other media the allegations
> by Phillips and Jones were false.David Phillips
> David Phillips' account was first published Oct. 25 at Wonkette.com, a
> liberal Web site. Shortly after The Spokesman-Review linked to the story 
> on
> Oct. 26, Craig spokesman Sid Smith replied on a blog that "there is not a
> shred of truth to this." In a tape-recorded interview with the Statesman,
> the 1985 graduate of Rice University said he met Craig on a weekday
> afternoon between May and August 1986 at a gay strip club called La Cage 
> Aux
> Follies in Washington, D.C. Phillips said he mistakenly told Wonkette the
> incident happened in 1987.
> Phillips, then 21, said he and Craig talked and then hugged. According to
> Phillips, Craig said he didn't feel comfortable at the club and suggested
> they leave. Phillips had his car, but Craig hailed a cab, with Phillips
> following him to Capitol Hill.
> On the way to an upstairs bedroom, Phillips said Craig told him, "You've
> never been here. You don't know me." Phillips said Craig removed his suit
> coat but otherwise remained dressed.
> He said Craig first performed oral sex on him, and that they then had anal
> sex. Afterward, Phillips said, Craig pressed Phillips to leave. He said
> Craig stuck $20 in his pocket and said, "I can buy and sell your ass a
> thousand times over. You were never here." Phillips said he saw a note 
> card
> addressed to Suzanne Craig as he left the house. But he said he never
> recognized Craig as his sex partner until the recent story broke and he
> heard Craig's distinctive and formal voice on TV.
> "I didn't hear that voice again until August," Phillips said. "Then that 
> 'I
> can buy and sell your ass a thousand times' came back to me. It just all
> rolled back so vividly." Smith, the Craig spokesman, said in his blog
> posting after the Wonkette report that Phillips should not be believed
> because Craig did not live on Capitol Hill in 1987, but on his boat at the
> Capitol Yacht Club.Mike Jones
> Mike Jones, 50, told the Statesman Craig paid him $200 for sex on a night
> between November 2004 and March 2005. Jones said he recognized Craig only
> after August.
> After Craig said on Oct. 4 that he would complete his term in 2009 and
> appeared on NBC on Oct. 16, Jones went on the record with the Statesman,
> describing a sexual encounter with Craig.
> Jones told the Statesman in a tape-recorded interview that a man phoned to
> make an appointment, not giving his name. The man, whom Jones later
> recognized as Craig, then arrived at a studio apartment in downtown 
> Denver.
> Craig asked whether Jones followed politics but then quickly changed the
> subject. Jones said he deduced that his client response was a politician.
> Craig removed his coat and dress shirt, leaving his T-shirt, slacks and
> shoes on when he climbed onto Jones's massage table. Craig asked that 
> Jones
> be naked. Craig undid his own zipper and masturbated while performing oral
> sex on Jones. When Craig finished, he paid Jones $200 and left.
> Jones said he kept no records on his escort clients and that he advertised
> his "massage" services exclusively in gay publications.
> Craig was in Denver on Feb. 11, 2005, and in nearby Keystone, Colo., on 
> Feb.
> 12. On Feb. 12, he attended a meeting at the Keystone Center, a policy 
> think
> tank. Craig's Senate travel records also show six other trips where Craig
> may have had layovers in Denver between November 2004 and March 2005.
> Dan Whiting, a Craig spokesman, told TV station KIVI, "Mike Jones is lying
> in order to sell his book … plain and simple. Larry has never met Mike
> Jones."
> Jones has written a book about his experience with Haggard, who resigned 
> in
> November 2006 as president of the National Evangelical Association and was
> forced out as pastor of New Life Church after Jones came forward with 
> voice
> mails. Greg Ruth
> Greg Ruth attended the Republican Western Roundup in Coeur d'Alene in
> October 1981, where he said Craig made a sexual advance. At the time, 
> Craig
> was a 36-year-old bachelor and first-year congressman and Ruth was a
> 24-year-old college Republican from the University of Puget Sound.
> Ruth, who is openly gay , told the Statesman in a tape-recorded interview
> that Craig paid him unusual attention at the political gathering.
> Ruth said he excused himself to use the restroom, but that Craig soon
> entered and stood next to Ruth at the urinal, looking at Ruth's penis.
> "He looked over and said, 'Hi,' " Ruth said. "But he didn't touch me or
> anything like that. And then after we finished urinating, we washed hands.
> "He gave me his phone number and he said, 'If you ever get to D.C., call 
> me.
> You can stay with me.' "
> Ruth, now a professional photographer, said he never followed up and lost
> the slip of paper with Craig's number. But Ruth said he has no doubt Craig
> was making a sexual advance. "I'm gay, and I knew he was hitting on me,"
> Ruth said. "There's no question about that."Unnamed man
> Another gay man, a 46-year-old professional from Boise, told the Statesman
> that Craig reached his hand into his restroom stall in September 2006 
> during
> a layover at the Denver airport. The man, who travels in political 
> circles,
> had met Craig before. He asked that he not be named.
> The man said he was flying from Boise to Washington, D.C., on the same
> flights as Craig and his wife.
> During the layover in Denver, the man said, he was in a men's restroom 
> stall
> when a hand came under the divider and reached toward him. The hand was 
> palm
> up, as the officer in Minnesota also described, and slid toward him for 
> two
> or three seconds. The man said he noticed unpolished, dark, lace-up shoes
> worn by the man in the next stall. He did not respond to the gesture.
> The man said he then waited outside the men's restroom. Shortly after, a 
> man
> wearing the shoes he saw in the adjacent stall exited. He recognized the 
> man
> as Craig.
> After boarding the second flight, the man told his partner about the
> incident. The partner confirmed to the Statesman having heard the details 
> of
> Craig's advance that day.Tom Russell
> Tom Russell, 48, a Nampa native who lives in Utah, was among three men who
> contacted the Statesman about what they described as unusually attentive
> behavior on Craig's part. Russell spoke in a tape-recorded interview.
> Russell worked as a food service manager at Bogus Basin ski resort and 
> said
> his encounter probably occurred in the 1983-84 ski season. Russell had 
> heard
> rumors Craig was gay.
> Russell, who is openly gay, said he set out to engage Craig "and attempted
> to show a personal interest … not in a suggestive way … but a personal
> interest to see if he would respond."
> "I recall that he was very delighted to talk to me – smiling, happy, very
> delighted – and that he had suggested that we could get together 
> sometime,"
> he said. Russell said he became convinced Craig was gay because he used
> subtle signals consistent with communication between gay men in public
> places.
> Nothing came of the meeting, Russell said. But he came forward now because
> he is offended by Craig's denials.
> "I'm disgusted because it's hypocritical, and he's lying. He's lying 
> through
> his teeth. Heterosexual men do not behave like that."
> --
> Gray Tree Crab aka "Big Bertha"
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