[Vision2020] Civility is a 2-way street.

Saundra Lund sslund at roadrunner.com
Sun Dec 2 13:43:03 PST 2007

Well, I hate to intrude, but I think y'all have missed another important


When a Kirker like Doug Farris or Dale Courtney or Dave Glasebrook or even
Roy Atwood (with his fantasy claim the Snooze was stupid enough to print)
says or does something shameful and utterly offensive, the shrill whining
starts about how UNFAIR it is to blame Wilson or the elders or others in the
church hierarchy for the bad behavior of individuals members.


However, when . . . say . . . I post something they don't like, not only am
I responsible for what I write (or say or do), but so, too, is every single
individual they want to lump into their repugnant "Intolerista" category.


Sadly, some things never change, and the Kirk's reprehensible
double-standard clearly seems to be one of those things.



Saundra Lund

Moscow, ID


The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do

~ Edmund Burke


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From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
On Behalf Of Carl Westberg
Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2007 1:22 PM
To: Scott Dredge; vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Civility is a 2-way street.


Good points, Scott.  Carl Westberg Jr.


Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 12:55:16 -0800
From: sdredge at yahoo.com
To: vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Civility is a 2-way street.


Are you just trying to start trouble?  Or are you serious when you're asking
for a rational reason behind Doug Farris' irrational behavior?  In the
perfect world that Doug Farris envisions in his own twisted mind, he would
be executed or exiled for carrying on these types of antics.

If Roy Atwood wants civility, maybe he should have a talk with Doug Wilson
who is a master at inflaming and dividing all sorts of people including
those in his own church and denomination.  If you want some great
entertainment, just go to Doug Wilson's blog as well the Green Bagginses
blog.  Here's an amusing entry. "The hateful comments that I have had to
delete have, without exception (well, not counting the pornographic spam
from Brazil that I imagine every blog gets), been from folks who have
self-identified as Doug Wilson supporters."


Can you imagine Doug Wilson's supporters posting hateful comments???  Who
would have thunk it with the "perfect standard" that he and his ilk claim to


----- Original Message ----
From: Carl Westberg <carlwestberg846 at hotmail.com>
To: Scott Dredge <sdredge at yahoo.com>; vision2020 at moscow.com
Sent: Sunday, December 2, 2007 11:57:26 AM
Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Civility is a 2-way street.

If true, one must simply ask why?  What is the purpose?  Carl Westberg Jr.

Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 11:54:32 -0800
From: sdredge at yahoo.com
To: vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Civility is a 2-way street.

It was HeirDoug posing as a woman on v2020.  He posted nearly the same lame
comment at the nearly the same time on Dale's blog at this link:


Gary was once again an innocent bystander on this site caught in the


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