[Vision2020] (Hillary is a Shoe In) speaking of politics....
Paul Rumelhart
godshatter at yahoo.com
Fri Aug 24 21:43:59 PDT 2007
I've been led to believe that Ron Paul has a large underground audience
on the net; it would be foolish of the other candidates to discount
him. He is in the curious position of having a very strong, if not the
strongest, popularity on the internet, but never gets higher than 3% on
gallup polls. So, either the internet is a much smaller beast than it
would first appear, or the various polls are burying their heads in the
sand.
According to Wikipedia, he has won three of the four Republican
presidential debates based on the results of the online polls of the
sponsors that held them. His name as a search term has scored higher
than the other candidates online based on the results of a few traffic
analysis companies. He is viewed the most on YouTube, and has the
largest number of subscriptions.
Although I can't agree with everything he stands for (withdrawing from
the UN and Nato comes to mind), I am solidly behind him based on his
voting record on the issues that this current government has foisted
upon us, such as the Patriot Act and the Iraq War.
Paul
Donovan Arnold wrote:
> Keely writes,
>
> "I believe that Thompson's lymphoma is in remission; if that's true,
> he doesn't 'have cancer'."
>
> But the truth is;
>
> "Patients with follicular lymphoma are generally not considered cured.
> Instead, they are categorized as in ongoing complete remission.
> Relapses occur steadily over time. *_Relapse rates are estimated to be
> 33%, 66%, and 100% for follicular lymphoma's_* Grades I, II, and III
> respectively." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-Hodgkin_lymphoma
>
> Anyone want to nominate a President who has a 33-100% chance of dying
> in office before we take into account any other potential health
> problems? Remember Paul Tsongas, he said he was in remission too, he
> had the same illness, and he died in 1997 from Non-Hodgkin's lymphoma,
> which many times doesn't show any symptoms.
>
> Giuliani isn't a Republican, he is Pro-choice, Pro-gay marriage,
> Anti-gun, Pro-taxes, Pro-big government. There is no way the hard
> leaning right would nominate a Pro-life, Anti-Gun, Pro-big government
> nominee. McCain is also done for his pro- illegal immigration bill and
> finance reforms. McCain would also be over 80 at the end of second
> term in January, 2017.
>
> That only leaves Thompson, with incurable cancer, and Mitt Romney as
> candidates with enough money and recognition for a fighting chance
> against Hillary.
>
> I think Hillary will have a hard time getting a majority vote, but she
> doesn't need it. She only needs to get more electoral votes than her
> Republican opponent, which at this point will be Mitt Romney, former
> Governor of Massachusetts.
>
> The Democratic Nominee, whomever that many be, Richardson, Edwards,
> Obama, or Clinton, already have a five to ten point lead in enough
> states to secure 250 electoral votes. They only need 20 more to win,
> like Florida, or Ohio. If Bloomberg enters the race, that peels
> another 4-8 points off the popular vote for the Republican nominee in
> many key states.
>
> Even if Hillary fails to achieve a pularity (more votes than the other
> two) of popular votes, which she doesn't need, in the three way
> election, what are Republicans going to say, after all, Bush was
> beaten in the popular vote in the 2000 election and still took the oath.
>
> Hillary is unlikely to lose the Democratic nomination because she
> already has close to 50% of the primary vote. She is also very likely
> to get at least 270 electoral votes in a three way race over any of
> the current candidates for President. The total popular vote doesn't
> matter in the actually election (do the electoral math). If Hillary is
> elected, which I think she will at this point, she is likely to be
> very effective due to her experience and having a Democratic Senate
> and Congress backing her.
>
> I think the American Population will be very surprised at how
> conservative many of her decisions will be as President. She will not
> immediately withdraw troops. She will not enact anti-gun legislation,
> and she will not grant same-sex marriage. I think she will be very
> much in the center, politically, and very competent in her performance.
>
> Best,
>
> Donovan
>
>
>
> */lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com>/* wrote:
>
> I agree with you about Hillary, but not about Giuliani. I think
> that Thompson has a chance. Romney could also win, but has some
> problems from my point of view.
>
>
> Roger
> -----Original message-----
> From: keely emerinemix kjajmix1 at msn.com
> Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 07:19:37 -0700
> To: Donovan Arnold donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com, Tom
> Hansenthansen at moscow.com, "'Bev Bafus'" bevbafus at verizon.net,
> vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] speaking of politics....
>
> >
> > I believe that Thompson's lymphoma is in remission; if that's
> true, he doesn't "have cancer."
> >
> > And I think Giuliani might well be the only Republican who can
> defeat the Democrats, particularly if we nominate Hillary. She
> won't win. But Obama, Richardson, or Edwards could. I hope my
> party listens.
> >
> > keely
> >
> > "Patriarchy and its abuses, including the alienation of woman
> and man from each other, resulted from the material demands of
> life outside of the Creator's abundance, a state God never
> intended human beings to experience in the first place ...
> Redemption means turning over the order of things in the fallen
> world."
> > -- Dr. Carrie Miles
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 19:48:48 -0700
> > From: donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
> > To: thansen at moscow.com; bevbafus at verizon.net; vision2020 at moscow.com
> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] speaking of politics....
> >
> > "By Idaho standards Rudy Giuliani IS a Democrat. He is
> pro-choice, supports same-sex marriage, and actively supports
> public education."--T. Hansen
> > He is also pro-taxes, pro big government, anti-second amendment,
> and has three wives. If this guy gets the Republicans nomination
> the Democrats win before the general election. John McCain is a no
> win either. That only leaves Thompson and Romney, and Thompson has
> cancer. Humm, wonder who the nominee is going to be? Best, Donovan
> > Tom
> > Hansen wrote: By Idaho standards Rudy Giuliani IS a Democrat. He
> is pro-choice, supports same-sex marriage, and actively supports
> public education. My guess is that New York and California are the
> only states in the union where he could register Republican. Seeya
> round town, Moscow.
> >
> > Tom Hansen
> > Moscow, Idaho
> >
> > "People who ridicule others while hiding behind anonymous
> monikers in chat-room forums are neither brave nor clever."
> >
> > - Latah County Sheriff Wayne Rausch (August 21, 2007) From:
> vision2020-bounces at moscow.com
> [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com] On Behalf Of Bev Bafus
> > Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 7:11
> > PM
> > To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> > Subject: [Vision2020] speaking of politics.... which we weren't,
> but I just had to share this. My son met and chatted with Rudy
> Giuliani
> > today at the Coeur d'Alene Resort. My son is a valet there.
> Mayor Giuliani introduced himself to my son, shook hands, and
> chatted for a few minutes. Pretty heady stuff for a
> > twenty-year-old. He was impressed, even though he leans
> Democratic... He didn't get to valet park the huge Escalade,
> though... Secret Service took care of that. Bev Bafus
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