[Vision2020] Trinity Festival protest

[Joe Campbell]

Gary,

What double-standard? I acknowledged that mine was a mistake. I said I was 
sorry -- if you don't believe my sincerity, I'll say it again: I'm VERY sorry.

And we are talking about my one admitted mistake, over a long period of 
public discourse, against a string of more intimindating speech toward
African-Americans, gays, feminists, Muslims, liberals, lesbians, progressives, 
etc.

And don't even get me started about those zoning issues!

--
Joe Campbell

---- "g. crabtree" <jampot at roadrunner.com> wrote: 

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So let me get this straight. If one of your buddies comes right out and  threatens a person on this forum with bodily harm, ala punch them in the nose or kick their cod piece into low earth orbit it's merely a jolly jest. To express an opinion on matters theological or temporal is "horrific" and "intimidating."I think what it is that I'm forgetting is the enormous double standard that you have erected for yourself and your faithful.

g
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: keely emerinemix 
  To: g. crabtree ; Joe Campbell 
  Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 8:53 AM
  Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Trinity Festival protest


  There's another saying, Gary, that goes, "All things in their own time."  I think you're forgetting that they don't feel free to do the "action" thing now -- but have every expectation to when the time is right for good ol' Christian patriarchal dominion to take center stage.

  And, by the way, words are horrific as well.  I know of a man on this list who's still reeling from Joan Opyr's frustration-driven-but-still-in-jest promise to levy a well-placed kick in the groin.  It's evidently had quite the impact on him.  Words can, indeed, have enormous effect.

  keely











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    From: jampot at roadrunner.com
    To: joekc at adelphia.net
    Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 06:52:22 -0700
    CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
    Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Trinity Festival protest


    Mr. Campbell,

    There is a big difference between how people ARE treated and how someone might feel after misinterpreting (or having it misinterpreted for them) any given message. One you have direct control over and are completely responsible for the other is left in the hands of the recipient to do with what they will. If they decide to "feel" bad I'm afraid that there is little to be done for it. As I have said before, it's my understanding that Mr. Wilson's congregation is made up of a variety of people including minorities and homosexuals. (a recent interview in the LMT on seminary student Chris Morris leaps immediately to mind) 

    There's an old saying that periodically makes the rounds that states "actions speak louder than words." I think that this particularly applies when the words have been manipulated by others to stir up the maximum level of foment. On the other hand the actions that I have been able to see with my own two eyes lead me to believe that the community in question is ultimately benign. 

    If you want to make an effective case against this group, stop reinterpreting fellow detractors reinterpretations of books, articles and news stories and point to solid evidence of the horrors that you claim are occurring on a daily basis. I'm guessing that while you and yours are long on rhetoric your short on specifics. Till you can turn that equation around I'm afraid that it's you that is "irrelevant."

    g
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: "Joe Campbell" <joekc at adelphia.net>
    To: "g. crabtree" <jampot at roadrunner.com>
    Cc: "Andreas Schou" <ophite at gmail.com>; "Warren Hayman" <whayman at adelphia.net>; <vision2020 at moscow.com>
    Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 2:33 PM
    Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Trinity Festival protest


    Gary,

    For the most part, your points below are irrelevant. My concern for Wilson is not with 
    how he treats the women in his family. My concern is not even about how he'd treat me, 
    or how Doug Farris would treat me, were I to join either for dinner. I feel pretty confident 
    that they'll treat me just fine -- white, Christian male that I am.

    My concern is about how my Jewish friends might be treated. My concern is how my 
    Muslim, lesbian, and atheist friends ARE being treated, given Wilson’s threatening and 
    divisive speech. I worry about the feelings of my Christian, African-American friends, 
    given Wilson’s justification of slavery.

    I noticed that you haven't said anything about this view:

    All non-Christians hate God,

    which was apparently endorsed by some of your Kirk friends. I imagine that it will take 
    awhile to piece together a justification for this, or even to explain how it is that folks can 
    say something so stupid yet complain when they get criticism back in response.

    --
    Joe Campbell

    ---- "g. crabtree" <jampot at roadrunner.com> wrote: 

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    Other works by this author causes me to firmly doubt that he is likely to 
    refer to his mother, sister, wife, daughters, daughters in law or grand 
    daughters as "chattel." Prove me wrong.

    g
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: "Andreas Schou" <ophite at gmail.com>
    To: "g. crabtree" <jampot at roadrunner.com>
    Cc: "Warren Hayman" <whayman at adelphia.net>; <vision2020 at moscow.com>; "Joe 
    Campbell" <joekc at adelphia.net>
    Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 5:56 PM
    Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Trinity Festival protest


    >>  I recommend _Her Hand in
    >> Marriage_ or _Reforming Marriage_, in which Doug discusses how a woman
    >> is to pass as chattel between her father and her future husband.
    >>
    >> Quite simply it does not.
    >
    > And how, Gary, did you come to be aware of this, given that you have
    > read neither book?
    >
    > -- ACS
    > 






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