[Vision2020] Trinity Festival protest

[keely emerinemix]

There's another saying, Gary, that goes, "All things in their own time."  I think you're forgetting that they don't feel free to do the "action" thing now -- but have every expectation to when the time is right for good ol' Christian patriarchal dominion to take center stage.And, by the way, words are horrific as well.  I know of a man on this list who's still reeling from Joan Opyr's frustration-driven-but-still-in-jest promise to levy a well-placed kick in the groin.  It's evidently had quite the impact on him.  Words can, indeed, have enormous effect.keelyFrom: jampot at roadrunner.comTo: joekc at adelphia.netDate: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 06:52:22 -0700CC: vision2020 at moscow.comSubject: Re: [Vision2020] Trinity Festival protest








Mr. Campbell,
 
There is a big difference between how people ARE 
treated and how someone might feel after misinterpreting (or having it 
misinterpreted for them) any given message. One you have direct control over and 
are completely responsible for the other is left in the hands of the recipient 
to do with what they will. If they decide to "feel" bad I'm afraid that there is 
little to be done for it. As I have said before, it's my understanding that 
Mr. Wilson's congregation is made up of a variety of people including minorities 
and homosexuals. (a recent interview in the LMT on seminary student Chris Morris 
leaps immediately to mind) 
 
There's an old saying that periodically makes the 
rounds that states "actions speak louder than words." I think that this 
particularly applies when the words have been manipulated by others to stir up 
the maximum level of foment. On the other hand the actions that I have been 
able to see with my own two eyes lead me to believe that the community in 
question is ultimately benign. 
 
If you want to make an effective case against this 
group, stop reinterpreting fellow detractors reinterpretations of books, 
articles and news stories and point to solid evidence of the horrors that you 
claim are occurring on a daily basis. I'm guessing that while you and yours are 
long on rhetoric your short on specifics. Till you can turn that equation around 
I'm afraid that it's you that is "irrelevant."
 
g
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joe Campbell" <joekc at adelphia.net>
To: "g. crabtree" <jampot at roadrunner.com>
Cc: "Andreas Schou" <ophite at gmail.com>; "Warren Hayman" 
<whayman at adelphia.net>; 
<vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 2:33 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Trinity Festival 
protest
Gary,For the most part, your points below are irrelevant. My 
concern for Wilson is not with how he treats the women in his family. My 
concern is not even about how he'd treat me, or how Doug Farris would treat 
me, were I to join either for dinner. I feel pretty confident that they'll 
treat me just fine -- white, Christian male that I am.My concern is 
about how my Jewish friends might be treated. My concern is how my Muslim, 
lesbian, and atheist friends ARE being treated, given Wilson’s threatening and 
divisive speech. I worry about the feelings of my Christian, 
African-American friends, given Wilson’s justification of slavery.I 
noticed that you haven't said anything about this view:All 
non-Christians hate God,which was apparently endorsed by some of your 
Kirk friends. I imagine that it will take awhile to piece together a 
justification for this, or even to explain how it is that folks can say 
something so stupid yet complain when they get criticism back in 
response.--Joe Campbell---- "g. crabtree" <jampot at roadrunner.com> wrote: 
=============Other works by this author causes me to firmly doubt 
that he is likely to refer to his mother, sister, wife, daughters, daughters 
in law or grand daughters as "chattel." Prove me wrong.g----- 
Original Message ----- From: "Andreas Schou" <ophite at gmail.com>To: "g. 
crabtree" <jampot at roadrunner.com>Cc: 
"Warren Hayman" <whayman at adelphia.net>; 
<vision2020 at moscow.com>; "Joe 
Campbell" <joekc at adelphia.net>Sent: 
Sunday, August 12, 2007 5:56 PMSubject: Re: [Vision2020] Trinity Festival 
protest>>  I recommend _Her Hand in>> Marriage_ 
or _Reforming Marriage_, in which Doug discusses how a woman>> is to 
pass as chattel between her father and her future 
husband.>>>> Quite simply it does not.>> And 
how, Gary, did you come to be aware of this, given that you have> read 
neither book?>> -- ACS> 


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