[Vision2020] Fw: Trinity Festival protest

[deb]

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "deb" <debismith at moscow.com>
To: "g. crabtree" <jampot at roadrunner.com>
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 7:22 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Trinity Festival protest


> You might just  check exactly who is doing the reviewing, who would buy 
> this piece of trash, and why they might give it a positive review. A tiny 
> bit of cognitive reasoning could supply a differing opinion....But I'm not 
> of the belief that critical thinking is being taught (or thought of as a 
> valuable asset) in GW's America. Keep folks stupid and frightened, and 
> they will do and believe whatever makes them feel safe, even if it goes 
> against common sense and their own best judgement. Thanks, Gary, for again 
> helping us understand this disfunction....I guess it shores up the belief 
> system to discard any contrary evidence and stick to the lies that keep 
> you happy.
> I'm a little bummed that I just can't do that, and must question 
> EVERYTHING, right, left, or center. It would be much easier to just 
> reiterate a party line. Researching is sometimes boring and annoying, but 
> if one really does it (paying attention to all sides of an argument) one 
> comes up with a realistic approach to what is going on. And, gotta tell 
> ya, It's more than a bit ugly.
> Comparing the rhetoric of the "right" and the "left" gives me hives. It 
> also gives me a belief that the "left", for all its faults, isn't as 
> likely to make our lives a living hell. Unless we march in lock-step with 
> their beliefs and give up any wish to be more than soldiers in the army of 
> the elite, we seem to be a discard for those on the "right". And they are 
> so good at the spin, delusion, and smoke and mirrors that a large 
> percentage of otherwise intelligent people just bow down and get screwed. 
> And those most completly screwed are those with nearly nothing. Sadly, 
> those with money and power are generally those on the "right" who get tax 
> breaks, government contracts, and a big old pass on bad behaviour. 
> Obviously, it pays to lie, cheat, and steal.
>
> Debi R-S
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "g. crabtree" <jampot at roadrunner.com>
> To: "Andreas Schou" <ophite at gmail.com>
> Cc: <vision2020 at moscow.com>; "Joe Campbell" <joekc at adelphia.net>
> Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 6:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Trinity Festival protest
>
>
>> Considering the veracity that you have shown to date on this subject you
>> will, I'm sure, forgive me if I don't take "Arranged marriages are the 
>> ideal
>> to which they aspire, followed by an interminable pregnancy interrupted 
>> by
>> cleaning house and non-consensual sex." to be anything other than more of
>> the same.
>>
>> A quick hop over to Amazon reveals that the book "The Fruit of Her Hands" 
>> by
>> Nancy Wilson has garnered FAR more positive reviews than negative. The 
>> same
>> applies to "Her Hand in Marriage" as well as "Reforming Marriage."
>>
>> Being caught out in prevarication in multiple posts doesn't bode well for
>> anything you may have to say in the future on this or any other topic, 
>> I'm
>> afraid.
>>
>> g
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Andreas Schou" <ophite at gmail.com>
>> To: "g. crabtree" <jampot at roadrunner.com>
>> Cc: "keely emerinemix" <kjajmix1 at msn.com>; "lfalen" 
>> <lfalen at turbonet.com>;
>> "Joe Campbell" <joekc at adelphia.net>; <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 7:16 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Trinity Festival protest
>>
>>
>>> On 8/9/07, g. crabtree <jampot at roadrunner.com> wrote:
>>>> Mr. Schou fatuously claims:
>>>>
>>>>  "Men haven't sufficiently oppressed women; therefore, God judges us by
>>>> making men's sons effeminate."
>>>>
>>>> This is so at odds with what has been laid down in print that I'm 
>>>> afraid
>>>> what little credibility you may have had (and admittedly it wasn't very
>>>> much) is completely out the window. In C/A In the article "Owning the
>>>> Curse:
>>>> Rethinking Same Sex Marriage' by Douglas Wilson And Douglas Jones it
>>>> specifically states that the core failure leading to the problem is 
>>>> "the
>>>> failure of neglectful/domineering fathers and husbands." In the same
>>>> treatise in the following paragraph it states "The calling of Christian
>>>> men
>>>> is to be godly husbands and fathers, within the family and within the
>>>> Church."
>>>
>>> Gary --
>>>
>>> Why don't you then examine the church's teaching about a woman's role
>>> in the home and society to determine? I recommend _Her Hand in
>>> Marriage_ or _Reforming Marriage_, in which Doug discusses how a woman
>>> is to pass as chattel between her father and her future husband.
>>> Alternatively, you might try _The Fruit of Her Hands_. Or, if you
>>> prefer, you might just open up your browser -- something you seem
>>> quite adept at doing -- to read some of the reviews of
>>>
>>> Arranged marriages are the ideal to which they aspire, followed by an
>>> interminable pregnancy interrupted by cleaning house and
>>> non-consensual sex. By any sane standard, this is oppression. It walks
>>> and quacks like a duck, despite Doug's attempts to make it out to be
>>> an eagle.
>>>
>>> -- ACS
>>>
>>
>>
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