[Vision2020] Is it Infanticide Vs. Abortion? (was: CatholicMajority On Supreme Court)

[Tony]

Cute Andreas, very cute.  But perhaps you will excuse me if I do not accept 
your contention where the very lives of society's most innocent members are 
concerned.  What specific documentation can you provide to support your 
insistence that partial birth abortions are NEVER performed on viable 
babies?  And you needn't waste any more of our time with irrelevant 
statistics as to the percentage of overall abortions this procedure 
constitutes.  One is one too many.  Also, my aspiring lawyer, please advise 
us as to what circumstances would require killing a woman's child when only 
the head remains inside in order to save her life.

At least you are right about one thing: you are not qualified to render 
medical advice.  Nor are you qualified to parent children.  That requires 
compassion and a soul.

Later,

-Tony
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andreas Schou" <ophite at gmail.com>
To: "Tony" <tonytime at clearwire.net>
Cc: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 12:03 AM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Is it Infanticide Vs. Abortion? (was: 
CatholicMajority On Supreme Court)


> On 4/25/07, Tony <tonytime at clearwire.net> wrote:
>> Andreas, is it your contention then that intact dilation and extraction 
>> is
>> performed on non-viable babies in EVERY case?  If so, why has such
>> information never been divulged before now by the proponents of this
>> "procedure?"  One suspects that there is, once again, more to the story 
>> than
>> those on your side of this debate would have the public believe.
>
> It's my contention that it constitutes 0.2% of abortions, that it is
> performed as an emergency surgery rather than elective abortion, and
> that it is performed on non-viable fetuses.
>
> Late-term abortions constitute 1.4% of all abortions performed in the
> United States. Intact D&E constitutes 15% of those.
> Back-of-the-envelope calculations tell me that that means that intact
> D&E is used in roughly 0.2% of all abortion procedures in the United
> States.
>
> Kennedy's opinion is predicated on the fact that intact D&E is
> medically equivalent to the interuterine dismemberment and suction of
> the miscellaneous parts; that is, there is no circumstance under which
> an intact D&E would save the life of the mother when other equivalent
> processes could also be performed. This logic is designed specifically
> to limit the ruling's scope.
>
> Notably, Kennedy leaves an opening for specific review of the law when
> he specifically mentions that the court would entertain a case
> considering that specific issue -- that is, whether a late-term
> abortion would be medically necessary for the health or life of the
> mother. How Kennedy expects that a challenge would reach the Supreme
> Court in the (roughly) 90 days before the case is mooted by the birth
> of a child or the death of a fetus is an exercise best left to the
> imagination (or alternately sniggered at behind your hand).
>
>> That critical question aside, why are these handicapped infants not 
>> simply
>> delivered and allowed to expire naturally, if that is indeed their fate,
>> rather than being unceremoniously dispatched?
>
> I am not qualified to deliver medical advice, but it is my
> understanding that one cannot live without a functioning forebrain.
> You, however, have left me somewhat unsure of this understanding.
>
> -- ACS
>
> * If you're interested, this Harpers article is a good overview of the
> "partial-birth abortion" pseudo-debate:
> http://www.harpers.org/archive/2004/11/0080278
>
> * Yes, it's a blog post. However, it's an ob/gyn med student's
> overview of the medical literature on intact D&E, as well as what
> exactly was made illegal by the partial-birth abortion law:
> http://www.agraphia.net/partial-birth-abortion-v-intact-dilation-extraction/
>
> * This is a personal account of someone who did have an intact D&E due
> to (extremely severe) spinal bifida. It might explain why someone
> might want to do it:
> http://lifestyle.msn.com/mindbodyandsoul/womenintheworld/articlemc.aspx?cp-documentid=4595719
>
>