[Vision2020] Winco Vs. Super Walmart

[lfalen]

Leave it to the market place to decide . If a new store wants to come in it should be up to them. They have undoubtedly studied the demographics before making  such a decision.

Roger
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From: "Tom Hansen" thansen at moscow.com
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 07:25:13 -0700
To: "'Jason Hoetger'" jason_in_china at hotmail.com, "'Mark Solomon'" msolomon at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Winco Vs. Super Walmart

> The bottom line, in my opinion, is that three grocery stores (WinCo,
> Rosauers, and Safeway) are plenty for a town of 23,000.
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> It's not like a fourth grocery store (Tidymans) never made an attempt at
> Moscow.
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> Why would Moscow need another large grocery store?  It simply lacks sense.
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> Tom Hansen
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> Moscow, Idaho
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> "We're a town of about 23,000 with 10,000 college students. The college
> students are not very active in local elections (thank goodness!)."
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> - Dale Courtney (March 28, 2007) 
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> From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
> On Behalf Of Jason Hoetger
> Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 7:17 AM
> To: 'Mark Solomon'
> Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Winco Vs. Super Walmart
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> Mark,
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> Assuming you are right about a Moscow Super Walmart totally ruining Winco
> (probably unlikely), Moscow would have one big discount grocer (Walmart), a
> Safeway, and a Rosauers-exactly what we have now. Where is the lack of
> competition? Seems like we'd have at least as much choice as we do today.
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> In any case, it seems unlikely that Winco would simply shutter its doors and
> leave town. Winco has successfully competed against Super Walmarts in
> several other markets. Winco and Walmart did not get to be large supermarket
> chains without knowing plenty about expansion and competition. I wouldn't
> shed any tears for Winco just yet.
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> Jason
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> From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
> On Behalf Of Mark Solomon
> Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2007 8:38 PM
> To: Donovan Arnold; Chasuk
> Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Winco Vs. Super Walmart
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> Donovan,
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> That assumes that there is enough customer base to support three, count
> them, three discount grocers in the Moscow/Pullman area (I'm assuming for
> the moment, not happily, but assuming anyway that the Pullman SuperWalmart
> will eventually be built). If/when the Pullman SW opens, Winco will take a
> big hit as Pullman shoppers stay closer to home. There's no reason to assume
> someone in Pullman going discount grocery shopping after a SuperWalmart
> opens in Pullman would drive to Moscow to shop at Winco or at a Moscow
> SuperWalmart. I have no numbers on how many WA residents shop at Winco but
> from eyeballing the tags in the parking lot I'd hazard a guess that it could
> be up to 40% of the total at Winco. Let's say a Moscow SuperWalmart opened
> competing for the 60% of the discount grocery shoppers left and say each got
> half: that's 30% of the current customer base for Winco. Seems to me that
> the final outcome is two SuperWalmarts, one in Moscow, one in Pullman and no
> competition. Or choice.
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> Mark
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> At 5:37 PM -0700 4/21/07, Donovan Arnold wrote:
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> Chas,
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> I actually agree with you that Winco can be cheaper than a Super Wal-Mart.
> The bulk food items at Winco's bins are cheaper than anything Super Walmart
> has to offer. Also, their bread is fresher, cheaper and in greater variety.
> The quality of meat is actually better too.
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> Most of the packaged food goods, Oreo's, M&Ms, and name brands are going to
> be within pennies of each other at either store.
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> However, where I find the savings is when I purchase non food items, like
> paper towels, toilet paper, meds, window cleaner etc. All of that other
> stuff is much, much cheaper.  Further you can get everything in one trip,
> clothes shopping, food shopping, pharmacy, haircut, oil change for your car,
> and get some lunch too. That saves you time and gas, and time and gas saved
> is money left in your pocket. Wal-Mart also bags your groceries for you.
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> I think it would be a smart move for Moscow to have two discount grocery
> stores in the area. Winco can as it is, rise their prices 10% to 20% and
> there is no viable option in the area to go to and still get lower price,
> people are forced to pay it. If you had another super discount store you
> have a competition going like they do in Coeur d ' Alene.
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> As to the Bees:
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> I agree that no cause for the problem has been agreed upon, but I don't
> think that it is disputed that bees are disappearing from farms, we know
> this to be true and the cause for concern.
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> Best,
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> Donovan
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> Chasuk <chasuk at gmail.com> wrote:
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> Winco is cheaper than any other grocery store in town, by a huge
> margin. I've recently shopped at a Super Wal-Mart, and it was not
> cheaper than Winco. I shop at Costco regularly, and it isn't cheaper
> than Winco, either.
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> Before I get replies saying "but I bought X at Y, and it was cheaper
> than Winco," let me save you the trouble: I already know that some
> items are cheaper elsewhere. However, overall, for a family or
> individual of average shopping patterns, Winco is far cheaper.
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> And the jury is out on the bee threat; some dispute whether it even
> exists. I've read arguments from both sides, with both parties
> equally qualified to hold an opinion.
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