[Vision2020] Palouse Monopoly Empire Mall; Gas/Food prices
debismith at moscow.com
debismith at moscow.com
Sun Apr 22 17:19:45 PDT 2007
Sometimes Donovan does have thoughtful input. However, if he gets the bit in his teeth, no one
can reign him in. And once he gets going, he seems to have no stopping point--internal
censor? Not in Donovan. He will go from a mild disagreement to vicious attacks in six e-mails.
And, beware any who raise his wrath. You will be insulted, lied about, reported to
someone/anyone, and subjected to his idiocy on-line and off-line. We all do know what he is
about...many have urged the V to bozo filter him once he starts a rant. He tends to lay low for
a few weks to a month after no replies, then carefully puts his opinions in, then ratchets back
up gradually. He's not quite yet on full throttle, but likely will be following this....
Debi R-S
From: "Mike Deleve" <coolerfixer at adelphia.net>
To: "Donovan Arnold" <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>
Date sent: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 16:15:44 -0700
Copies to: vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Palouse Monopoly Empire Mall; Gas/Food prices
To all regarding Donovan-
I now know all I need to know about this person and his opinions.
Broad brush everything because he THINKS he knows something. I suggest
eveyone ignore him and send him to sit in the corner alone. By the
way, for your info Donovan, the tenants DO pay the taxes, it is you
that does not grasp the subject at hand.
----- Original Message -----
From: Donovan Arnold
To: Mike Deleve
Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 1:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Palouse Monopoly Empire Mall; Gas/Food
prices
Mike,
I am sorry you think I am being condescending, that is not my
intent, but I know I can come across that way over the Internet. I
am sure you knowledge of the PEM far outweighs my own. I am just
trying to explain something to you and you are the one being hostile
and emotional rather than trying to understand what I am saying.
No, I would never sign a triple NNN, or even a NN lease because I
know what one is. That is way to much of a risk for my personality.
Again, you don't pay the property tax, you signed a contract to pay
a fee to cover the cost. You in part were probably kicked out
because your business cannot be a Bond-Lease, which means they
cannot get any money out of your contract with them. If they only
have chain stores, the value of the mall increases because they get
rent no matter what happens, and they can take loans and sell the
contracts.
The Mall Management reserves the right to reduce rent. It would if
meant all the businesses in the mall would vacate or declare
bankruptcy which would leave them nothing.
Best,
Donovan
Mike Deleve <coolerfixer at adelphia.net> wrote:
Donovan- nice condecending tone. One question though, have you
ever signed a commercial triple net lease? No? So you really don't
know what you're talking about. So in the mean time, STFU!!!!
----- Original Message -----
From: Donovan Arnold
To: Mike Deleve
Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 3:31 AM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Palouse Monopoly Empire Mall; Gas/Food
prices
Mike,
Tenants don't pay property taxes, they pay fees that the
property owners pass onto the tenants. I checked this with the
County Assessors office a year or so ago.
What you don't seem to follow in my argument is that if the
Palouse Empire Mall was forced to pay the taxes or lose all of
its tenants. It would choose to pay the taxes.
Let me explain it this way, Mike. If management raised your rent
from say $1500 a month to $2000 a month, and the taxes were
raised $300, your rent would go from $1500 a month to $2300 a
month. If the most you could afford was $2000 a month, then PEM
would have to either lower your rent down $300, or lose you as a
tenant. If it loses you as a tenant, it still has to pay the
property taxes, and it has lost income from a tenant. If all
businesses caved unless the PEM lowered rents, it would lower
rents rather than lose every tenant. PEM can only charge what
its richest tenants can afford. PEM would have to counter act
the government's increases through lower rents, or go bankrupt.
I hope you followed that.
Let me also point out that the PEM is already forcing out
non-chains and locally owned businesses anyway. So the only
businesses we would be taxing from would be big national chain
stores competing with small locally owned shops. And even if it
didn't remove all the private locally owned businesses,
remember, the taxes collected would be given to locally owned
merchants as tax breaks.
You are already out of the mall for a reason, Mike, you were not
good enough for PEM Management. Why you want to protect these
people, that did you in unjustly, only baffles me.
Best,
Donovan
Mike Deleve <coolerfixer at adelphia.net> wrote:
Gee Donovan, what a great idea! As a former tenant of the
Palouse Empire Mall, I can speak with great confidence about
the taxation there. Let me be very clear here. IT'S NOT THE
MALL THAT PAYS THE TAXES!!!!! IT'S THE TENANTS!!! Furthermore,
the "common area" space taxes are paid through common area
fees.Common areas include the parking lot and any non retail
space inside the mall, as well as any green areas outside.
It's all divided up through a convoluted formula based on
store frontage and total square footage of the store. So, no,
the mall owners aren't going to be taxed any more at all. This
is a very sore subject for me, I had months that the common
are fees exceeded $2000.00 per month! That was for my little
600 square foot store. So yeah, lets revalue the mall,
increase the taxes, chase away the remaining businesses in
there so people have even more reason to spend money in
Spokane. Sheesh.
----- Original Message -----
From: Donovan Arnold
To: Ellen Roskovich ; vision2020 at moscow.com
Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2007 1:11 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Palouse Monopoly Empire Mall;
Gas/Food prices
Food prices are only going to go up even more for several
reasons;
1) The massive extinction of honey bees has created a void
in pollination of 1/3 of the US food supply. 60% of honey
bees have died, with no cure or solution in the near future.
2) Increases in fuel prices increase the shipping costs of
food.
3) Many crops were wiped out this year due in the freakish
winter storms. For example, oranges had a massive freeze.
4) The UI and WSU student populations have decreased, the
main income for Winco. With a reduced volume in sales, Winco
has to raise prices to cover losses in volume sales.
5) No competition. With no other discount grocery stores in
the area, like say a Super Wal-Mart, Winco can raise its
prices with no consequences, everybody has to eat.
6) The owners of the Palouse Empire Mall are raising their
rents.
I think it is obvious, Moscow needs competition in the area
to curve rising prices. It also needs to do some sting
operations on gas price fixing which obviously is going on.
Maybe, many of you guys should call Pat Vaughn and ask him
to reassess the property value of the Palouse Empire Mall,
which is monopoly. Perhaps if the mall can make such huge
increases in their leases, the value of the only active
retail mall on the Palouse is much higher than what the
County Assessor has it listed as.
If I had the time, and a personal interest at stake, like so
many of you do, I would contest the taxable value of the
Palouse Empire Mall. It is clear that it has a really high
value since it is able to charge so much for its lease
spaces and has no real competition. Moscow is probably
losing $100,000s in tax revenue that could go to things like
finding a new space for the public bus to park on the west
side of town, and to give property tax breaks to locally
owned businesses that are having a hard time due to the fact
no mall will let them conduct business on their property.
Just a thought to those litigious and want what's best and
for our community.
Best,
Donovan
Ellen Roskovich <gussie443 at hotmail.com> wrote:
As the cost of gas continues to climb at the pumps, the
price of food starts to rise at the grocery stores. Has
anyone else noticed this recently?
Ellen Roskovich
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