[Vision2020] Corridor debate: Daily News

Sat Apr 14 14:59:16 PDT 2007

And that somehow explains the, ahem, 
"under-occupancy rate" at the Eastside Mall?

m.

At 2:43 PM -0700 4/14/07, Donovan Arnold wrote:
>Tom,
>
>Businesses went under in the Palouse 
>Mall because the Mall owners raised the rent 
>really high so many left. A new mall will create 
>competition and serve as a check on the lease 
>prices. Also, the mall kicked out many smaller 
>businesses that are locally owned in favor of 
>big chain stores. Market Time Gifts was one 
>forced out. The mall owners won't even let Book 
>People in there.
>
>It would be nice to have a mall that supports 
>local business owners and counters the over 
>inflated rent prices.  This is the free market 
>at work. One guy jacks his rates to the roof, so 
>another builds one for cheaper.
>
>Best,
>
>Donovan
>
>Tom Hansen <idahotom at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>Building more malls is NOT the answer. How many businesses have come and
>gone from the Palouse Mall? And your answer is to build another mall?
>
>That reminds me of a joke:
>
>John and Jerry were buying widgets from a manufacturing warehouse at a
>dollar each. To develop and exapnd a customer base they decided to undercut
>their competition by selling their widgets at 80 cents a piece.
>
>Sure enough, customers were flocking to get more and more widgets from John
>and Jerry. John realized that the more widgets the customers purchased, the
>more widgets John and Jerry had to buy from the manufacturing warehouse.
>Joh also realized that somehow they were losing money on this venture. John
>approached Jerry and asked him what could be done to avoid further loss.
>Jerry's response was, "Simple. We will get a larger truck."
>
>Like John and Jerr's predicament, building another mall here in Moscow will
>not solve anything.
>
>We need to expand on career-oriented, professional jobs. As more and more
>people move to Moscow seeking professional employment in a career-oriented
>job, the more appealing another mall will be for retailers who will be
>targeting more than just the college-age customer.
>
>Tom Hansen
>
>
>
>>From: "Matt Decker"
>>To: thansen at moscow.com, donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com, msolomon at moscow.com,
>>  lfalen at turbonet.com, jampot at adelphia.net, vision2020 at moscow.com
>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Corridor debate: Daily News
>>Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 13:18:40 -0700
>>
>>Tom,
>>
>>I do agree conservation and prevention should be on all our minds. Not just
>>water, but also electricity, fossil fuels, and such.
>>
>>What I can't foresee, is why a company would want to move here. We have
>>very little to offer. Very limited businesses, resturaunts, shopping areas,
>>etc.
>>
>>I don't see how adding a costco, olive garden, red lobster, old navy, and
>>whatever else comes into mind will kill our "perfect" little town. We could
>>stand to grow a little without taking away the soul of our great little
>>community.
>>
>>All of these will help draw in the bussiness types we would all hope for.
>>With this current Mayor and council nothing will happen. She will focus on
>>getting rid of poeple who oppose her. Instead of worrying about a $134,000
>>fine we have now received from the feds. Along with keeping/seeking a
>>conservation driven growth policy. Something that is very possible with our
>>technology.
>>
>>Meantime, we lose bigtime money from our neighbors who seem to get it.
>>Moscow and Pullman need to both thrive for conservation.
>>
>>Matt
>>
>>
>>>From: "Tom Hansen"
>>>To: "'Matt Decker'" ,
>>>, ,
>>>, ,
>>>
>>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Corridor debate: Daily News
>>>Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 08:28:24 -0700
>>>
>>>I have no problem with housing development. As Moscow expands housing
>>>development becomes an absolute necessity. Tacking on another
>>>mega-shopping
>>>center isn't.
>>>
>>>We have enough shopping malls to support the population of Moscow (as well
>>>as Pullman). What we need is expansion of career-oriented professions
>  >>here
>>>in Vandalville. More shelf-stockers and fast-food egg flippers merely
>>>doesn’t fit the bill.
>>>
>>>As professional, career-oriented jobs develop and grow in Moscow, more
>>>students will opt to stick around after graduation. Housing developments
>>>will increase along with the tax base.
>>>
>>>Until we can calculate just how much water remains in the aquifer, we must
>>>assume a defensive posture.
>>>
>>>If not, what will we do when the faucets run dry?
>>>
>>>Tom Hansen
>>>Moscow, Idaho
>>>
>>>"We're a town of about 23,000 with 10,000 college students. The college
>>>students are not very active in local elections (thank goodness!)."
>>>
>>>- Dale Courtney (March 28, 2007)
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: Matt Decker [mailto:mattd2107 at hotmail.com]
>>>Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 8:08 AM
>>>To: thansen at moscow.com; donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com; msolomon at moscow.com;
>>>lfalen at turbonet.com; jampot at adelphia.net; vision2020 at moscow.com
>>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Corridor debate: Daily News
>>>
>>>Tom,
>>>
>>>You stated"If we allow unlimited
>>>  >use of the aquifer by corporate "gluttons", it will disappear and our
>>>  >citizens will suffer. We must restrict access to our limited water
>>>  >sources
>>>  >until another source is identified and put into use."
>>>
>>>So are suggesting that we stop all houses being built? Maybe even a high
>>>tech industrial baised company moving into Moscow? All this while Pullman
>>>catapults itself way ahead of us, and continues to drill new wells which
>>>draw from the same water source. Thus drawing more business, residents,
>>>and
>>>tax revenue, most of which is beneficial to the area. Granted, some such
>>>as
>>>a Walmart I could go without. Along with growth would become more problems
>>>too. However, the ending result will most likely create a better community
>>>with more options.
>>>
>>>Matt
>>>
>>>  >From: "Tom Hansen"
>>>  >To: "'Donovan Arnold'" , "'Mark
>>>  >Solomon'" , "'lfalen'"
>>>,
>>>
>>>  > "'g. crabtree'" ,
>>>  >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Corridor debate: Daily News
>>>  >Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 06:05:17 -0700
>>>  >
>>>  >Arnold stated:
>>>  >
>>>  >
>>>  >
>>>  >"Mr. Solomon's ideas are not based on economic realities and don't solve
>>>  >the
>>>  >water problem, it just prolongs it."
>>>  >
>>>  >
>>>  >
>>>  >So, you are admitting that there is a water problem. If we allow
>>>unlimited
>>>  >use of the aquifer by corporate "gluttons", it will disappear and our
>>>  >citizens will suffer. We must restrict access to our limited water
>>>  >sources
>>>  >until another source is identified and put into use.
>>>  >
>>>  >
>>>  >
>>>  >Arnold goes on . . .
>>>  >
>>>  >
>>>  >
>>>  >"Thinking we shouldn't have stocking and service orientated jobs for
>>>  >students I think is a bad idea. First, those lower paying jobs should go
>>>to
>>>  >college students, not 40 year olds trying to make a living; somebody has
>>>to
>>>  >ask, "Would you like fries with that?" And I don't think it should be
>>>  >people
>>>  >middle aged with Master's in Environmental Science."
>>>  >
>>>  >
>>>  >
>>>  >Our community NEEDS career-oriented, professional jobs if it is to
>>>compete.
>>>  >If Moscow were to limit its growth to those minimum-wage,
>>>service-oriented
>>>  >jobs you reference, those 10,000 college students (referenced by Dale
>>>  >Courtney below) will simply graduate and move on to greener pastures
>>>away
>>>  >from Moscow.
>>>  >
>>>  >
>>>  >
>>>  >Question: What 40 year olds and local residents "with Master's in
>>>  >Environmental Science" are you aware of that are hold these jobs at fast
>>>  >food outlets? I have lived here in Moscow for 15 years. All I have
>>>seen
>>>  >are college students working at local fast food restaurants (as well as
>>>  >bartenders at my favorite haunts).
>>>  >
>>>  >
>>>  >
>>>  >Tom Hansen
>>>  >
>>>  >Moscow, Idaho
>>>  >
>>>  >
>>>  >
>>>  >"We're a town of about 23,000 with 10,000 college students. The college
>>>  >students are not very active in local elections (thank goodness!)."
>>>  >
>>>  >- Dale Courtney (March 28, 2007)
>>>  >
>>>
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