[Vision2020] Ellen Goodman, baby killer...

[Joe Campbell]

I think that the alternative to war is called peace, Tony.
--
Joe Campbell

---- Tony Simpson <tonytime at clearwire.net> wrote: 

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Joe, there is a non lethal alternative to abortion - adoption.  There is, 
unfortunately, no escaping collateral damage during time of war.  I 
therefore see no parallel between the two.

Best, -T
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joe Campbell" <joekc at adelphia.net>
To: "Tony Simpson" <tonytime at clearwire.net>
Cc: <nickgier at adelphia.net>; <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 12:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Ellen Goodman, baby killer...


> So you were against the war in a Iraq, since it led to the death of 
> innocent people? Or do you think that this situation is different?
>
> Is your point, Tony, -- presuming that you are not against the war in 
> Iraq -- that you think that it is sometimes OK to kill innocent people --  
> even a human fetus -- but only if you do it with a smart bomb?
>
> --
> Joe Campbell
>
> ---- Tony Simpson <tonytime at clearwire.net> wrote:
>
> =============
> Those who advocate, but are uncomfortable with an inhuman position,
> rationalize their acceptance of brutality by proclaiming that after all,
> everyone accepts it.  Murdering the innocent is wrong regardless of how 
> long
> it has been countenanced by society or justified by the Supreme Court.
>
> It used to be acceptable to marginalize and brutalize African Americans. 
> So
> too the Jews, and any number of groups over the years.  Society has been
> dreadfully wrong before, as has the Supreme Court.  (Dred Scott)  There 
> have
> always been those who's ethical threshold was ahead of their time as well 
> as
> those for whom any excuse for propping up the status quo would do.
> Unfortunately Teach Gier is from the latter camp.  Someday he will be
> recognized as similar to those who supported slavery and genocide.
>
> We can choose to swallow his convoluted and morally bankrupt conclusions, 
> or
> we can think for ourselves and listen to our collective conscience.  The
> choice is ours.  History will record those who stood for right and justice
> as well as those who enabled brutality.
>
>
> "There is a dangerous silence today.  A silence that allows evil to
> flourish."   -M.L.K.
>
> "Suffer the children to come unto me, for theirs is the kingdom of
> eaven."  -Jesus
>
> -T
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <nickgier at adelphia.net>
> To: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 10:47 AM
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] OT WAS: RE: Ellen Goodman, baby killer...
>
>
>> Greetings:
>>
>> Great minds are so in tune with each other, Bob!
>>
>> Using a very similar thought experiment (being hooked to a famous
>> violinist
>> without your permission), Judith Jarvis Thomson wrote a now famous 
>> article
>> for
>> "Philosophy and Public Affairs."
>>
>> The power of Thomson's argument is that the violinist is a person, but 
>> our
>> moral, legal, and religious tradition has recognized the fetus as a 
>> person
>> only
>> late in pregnancy, a position that corresponds to the Supreme Court
>> decision of
>> 1973.
>>
>> I humbly offer my own views on this topic at
>> www.class.uidaho.edu/ngier/abortion.htm.
>>
>> Nick Gier
>>
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