[Vision2020] Ellen Goodman, baby killer...
joekc at adelphia.net
Fri Sep 22 20:39:15 PDT 2006
I think that the alternative to war is called peace, Tony.
---- Tony Simpson <tonytime at clearwire.net> wrote:
Joe, there is a non lethal alternative to abortion - adoption. There is,
unfortunately, no escaping collateral damage during time of war. I
therefore see no parallel between the two.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe Campbell" <joekc at adelphia.net>
To: "Tony Simpson" <tonytime at clearwire.net>
Cc: <nickgier at adelphia.net>; <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 12:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Ellen Goodman, baby killer...
> So you were against the war in a Iraq, since it led to the death of
> innocent people? Or do you think that this situation is different?
> Is your point, Tony, -- presuming that you are not against the war in
> Iraq -- that you think that it is sometimes OK to kill innocent people --
> even a human fetus -- but only if you do it with a smart bomb?
> Joe Campbell
> ---- Tony Simpson <tonytime at clearwire.net> wrote:
> Those who advocate, but are uncomfortable with an inhuman position,
> rationalize their acceptance of brutality by proclaiming that after all,
> everyone accepts it. Murdering the innocent is wrong regardless of how
> it has been countenanced by society or justified by the Supreme Court.
> It used to be acceptable to marginalize and brutalize African Americans.
> too the Jews, and any number of groups over the years. Society has been
> dreadfully wrong before, as has the Supreme Court. (Dred Scott) There
> always been those who's ethical threshold was ahead of their time as well
> those for whom any excuse for propping up the status quo would do.
> Unfortunately Teach Gier is from the latter camp. Someday he will be
> recognized as similar to those who supported slavery and genocide.
> We can choose to swallow his convoluted and morally bankrupt conclusions,
> we can think for ourselves and listen to our collective conscience. The
> choice is ours. History will record those who stood for right and justice
> as well as those who enabled brutality.
> "There is a dangerous silence today. A silence that allows evil to
> flourish." -M.L.K.
> "Suffer the children to come unto me, for theirs is the kingdom of
> eaven." -Jesus
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <nickgier at adelphia.net>
> To: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 10:47 AM
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] OT WAS: RE: Ellen Goodman, baby killer...
>> Great minds are so in tune with each other, Bob!
>> Using a very similar thought experiment (being hooked to a famous
>> without your permission), Judith Jarvis Thomson wrote a now famous
>> "Philosophy and Public Affairs."
>> The power of Thomson's argument is that the violinist is a person, but
>> moral, legal, and religious tradition has recognized the fetus as a
>> late in pregnancy, a position that corresponds to the Supreme Court
>> decision of
>> I humbly offer my own views on this topic at
>> Nick Gier
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