[Vision2020] [Bulk] Re: Innocent Man Sent to Syria and Tortured

Paul Rumelhart godshatter at yahoo.com
Wed Sep 20 17:49:08 PDT 2006

It is a good illustration of the fact that mistakes in these kinds of 
situations happen.  It makes me wonder personally how many such 
scenarios there are amongst the detainees of Guantanamo and the secret 
prisons.  The only way that we can know with any level of certainty is 
through the court system.  If we gathered our evidence against them and 
allowed them the right to defend themselves against the charges, we 
might be in a better position to know who is and who isn't a terrorist.

That's why I think it's criminal that we have been holding some of them 
for years - some of them might actually be innocent.  Not to mention 
that we have apparently been mistreating at least some of them.  I'd 
like us as a country to go through the process of knowing who is and who 
isn't guilty.

I don't look upon this as giving hope or encouragement to the enemy, I 
look upon it as giving us back our national conscience.


Dick Sherwin wrote:

> As I understand this story, the U.S. depended on Canadian officials as 
> to the status of this "Innocent Man" and he was deported to Syria 
> based on information from Canada.  Is this true, or am I wrong? 
> At any rate, mistakes do happen and perhaps the U.S. officials should 
> have checked out the validity of the claims by the Canadian 
> Immigration people more closely.  I am sure that Ted and Joe would 
> have made sure, beyond the word of officials of this guy's own 
> government, that he should not have been deported to Syria. 
> Point being, we have all heard the story now boys.  You can stop 
> trying to make it appear the United States purposefully exiled an 
> innocent man to a country where our government knew he would be beaten 
> and mistreated.  I know it is difficult for you both to just let such 
> an opportunity drop but, believe me, it is no longer current news.  
> Get over it.
> Dick S
>     ----- Original Message -----
>     *From:* Ted Moffett <mailto:starbliss at gmail.com>
>     *To:* Joe Campbell <mailto:joekc at adelphia.net>
>     *Cc:* Vision 2020 <mailto:vision2020 at moscow.com>
>     *Sent:* Wednesday, September 20, 2006 10:25 AM
>     *Subject:* Re: [Vision2020] Innocent Man Sent to Syria and Tortured
>     Joe et. al.
>     Of course not.
>     What do you call those who seize an innocent man, kidnap him to a
>     foreign nation against his will beyond help, deny him access
>     to review of his imprisonment by any court or judge or any
>     resemblance to the fundamental legal protections of habeas corpus,
>     beat him, interrogate him, and take a year of his life away?
>     Defenders of freedom! 
>     http://www.lectlaw.com/def/h001.htm
>     In Brown v. Vasquez, 952 F.2d 1164, 1166 (9th Cir. 1991), cert.
>     denied, 112 S.Ct. 1778 (1992), the court observed that the Supreme
>     Court has "recognized the fact that`[t]he writ of habeas corpus is
>     the fundamental instrument for safeguarding individual freedom
>     against arbitrary and lawless state action.' Harris v. Nelson, 394
>     U.S. 286, 290-91 (1969). " Therefore, the writ must be
>     "administered with the initiative and flexibility essential to
>     insure that miscarriages of justice within its reach are surfaced
>     and corrected." Harris, 394 U.S. at 291.
>     Ted Moffett
>     On 9/19/06, *Joe Campbell* <joekc at adelphia.net
>     <mailto:joekc at adelphia.net>> wrote:
>         Careful, Ted! You don't want anyone to think that you're
>         supporting terrorists with this post, do you?
>         Best, Joe
>         ---- Ted Moffett <starbliss at gmail.com
>         <mailto:starbliss at gmail.com>> wrote:
>         =============
>         http://articles.news.aol.com/news/_a/innocent-man-sent-to-syria-and-tortured/20060918232609990016?ncid=NWS00010000000001
>         Innocent Man Sent to Syria and Tortured, Probe Finds
>         Canadian Report Faults Mounties, U.S. for Deportation
>         By ROB GILLIES, AP
>         TORONTO (Sept. 19) - The United States "very likely" sent a
>         Canadian
>         software engineer to Syria, where he was tortured, based on
>         the false
>         accusation by Canadian authorities that he was suspected of
>         links to
>         al-Qaida, according to a new government report.
>         Syrian-born Maher Arar was exonerated of all suspicion of
>         terrorist activity
>         by the 2 1/2-year commission of inquiry into his case, which
>         urged the
>         Canadian government to offer him financial compensation. Arar
>         is perhaps the
>         world's best-known case of extraordinary rendition -- the U.S.
>         transfer of
>         foreign terror suspects to third countries without court approval.
>         "I am able to say categorically that there is no evidence to
>         indicate that
>         Mr. Arar has committed any offense or that his activities
>         constitute a
>         threat to the security of Canada," Justice Dennis O'Connor
>         said Monday in a
>         three-volume report on the findings of the inquiry, part of
>         which was made
>         public.
>         Arar was traveling on a Canadian passport when he was detained
>         at New York's
>         Kennedy Airport on Sept. 26, 2002, on his way home from
>         vacation in Tunisia.
>         Arar said U.S. authorities sent him to Syria for interrogation
>         as a
>         suspected member of al-Qaida, a link he denied.
>         He spent nearly a year in prison in Syria and made detailed
>         allegations
>         after his release in 2003 about extensive interrogation,
>         beatings and
>         whippings with electrical cables.
>         O'Connor criticized the U.S. and recommended that Ottawa file
>         formal
>         protests with both Washington and the Syrian government over
>         Arar's
>         treatment.
>         "The American authorities who handled Mr. Arar's case treated
>         Mr. Arar in a
>         most regrettable fashion," O'Connor wrote. "They removed him
>         to Syria
>         against his wishes and in the face of his statements that he
>         would be
>         tortured if sent there. Moreover, they dealt with Canadian
>         officials
>         involved with Mr. Arar's case in a less than forthcoming manner."
>         The U.S. is already under intense criticism from human rights
>         groups over
>         the practice of sending suspects to countries where they could
>         be tortured.
>         U.S. and Syrian officials refused to cooperate with the
>         Canadian inquiry.
>         The commission found the Royal Canadian Mounted Police shared
>         information
>         about Arar with American anti-terrorist agencies both before
>         and after he
>         was detained.
>         The RCMP asked the U.S. to put Arar on a watch list as an
>         "Islamic extremist
>         individual" suspected of links to the al-Qaida terrorist
>         movement, the
>         report said.
>         The request was issued after Arar met with another man who was
>         under
>         surveillance, a meeting Arar has said was about how to find
>         inexpensive
>         computer equipment.
>         "The RCMP had no basis for this description, which had the
>         potential to
>         create serious consequences for Mr. Arar in light of American
>         attitudes and
>         practices," the report said.
>         The RCMP described Arar as the "target" of a domestic
>         anti-terrorist
>         investigation in Canada when in fact he was a peripheral
>         figure who had come
>         under suspicion only because he had been seen in the company
>         of the man who
>         was under surveillance, the report found.
>         O'Connor said that much of the material shared with U.S.
>         authorities had not
>         been double-checked to ensure its accuracy and reliability --
>         a violation of
>         the RCMP's usual rules for divulging information to foreign
>         agencies.
>         O'Connor concluded that the inaccurate information passed by
>         Canadian police
>         to U.S. authorities "very likely" led to their decision to
>         send Arar to
>         Syria.
>         "It's quite clear that the RCMP sent inaccurate information to
>         U.S.
>         officials," Arar said at a news conference in Ottawa. "I would
>         have not have
>         even been sent to Syria had this information not been given to
>         them."
>         "I have waited a long time to have my name cleared. I was
>         tortured and lost
>         a year of my life. I will never be the same," Arar said. "The
>         United States
>         must take responsibility for what it did to me and must stop
>         destroying more
>         innocent lives with its unlawful actions."
>         The commission concluded there was no evidence Canadian officials
>         participated in or agreed to the decision to send Arar to
>         Syria. But
>         O'Connor recommended that in the future, information should
>         never be
>         provided to a foreign country where there is a credible risk
>         that it will
>         cause or contribute to the use of torture.
>         Most of the judge's 23 policy recommendations centered on the
>         RCMP and
>         emphasized the need to improve the force's internal policies
>         for national
>         security investigations and the sharing of information with
>         other countries.
>         Arar's case has been regularly featured on the front pages of
>         Canadian
>         newspapers and public outcry led to the government calling an
>         inquiry.
>         Canada's federal government established the inquiry in 2004 to
>         determine the
>         role Canadian officials played.
>         O'Connor also found "troubling questions" about the role
>         played by Canadian
>         officials in the cases of three other Canadians of Arab
>         descent -- Ahmad El
>         Maati, Abdullah Almalki and Muayyed Nureddin. All claim they
>         were tortured
>         in Syria after traveling there on personal business, and all
>         suspect that
>         the RCMP, Canadian intelligence or both collaborated with
>         their captors.
>         O'Connor said he could not get to the bottom of those cases
>         because of the
>         limited nature of his mandate. But he urged the government to
>         appoint an
>         independent investigator -- something short of a full-fledged
>         public inquiry
>         -- to look into those cases.
>         O'Connor sifted through thousands of pages of documents and
>         sat through
>         testimony from more than 40 witnesses. He delivered two
>         versions of his
>         report to the government: one classified, the other public.
>         But portions of
>         even the public edition of the long-awaited document were
>         withheld due to
>         security concerns.
>         9/19/2006 06:23:35
>         -----------
>         Vision2020 Post: Ted Moffett
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