[Vision2020] The death penalty....a deterent!!!!!

[Joe Campbell]

I don't have trouble with laws against beating up old ladies. The law is well suited to handle clear harms to clear persons. It is not well suited to handle fuzzy issues like abortion.

Best, Joe

---- Tony <tonytime at clearwire.net> wrote: 

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Whatcha' know Joe?

You are against abortion but are uncomfortable insisting that others act 
accordingly?  Imagine you and a friend are witnessing an elderly woman being 
viciously attacked in an alley.  You turn to your friend and opine that it 
is wrong to attack elderly women and you would never do such a thing 
yourself.  However, you caution him, obviously this mugger has made another 
choice and you are not comfortable imposing your value judgment on him. 
Quite right, your friend observes, that fellow is obviously of the pro 
choice camp, and who are we to impose our beliefs on him?  The two of you 
then stroll off, sipping the last of your latte's, as the old woman lays 
prone, bleeding to death.  But of course the two of you bear no 
responsibility -  Right?

Won't you please reconsider your decision to leave this difficult question 
for others to resolve another day?

Best,  -T


"There is a dangerous silence today - a silence that allows evil to 
flourish."   -M.L.K.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joe Campbell" <joekc at adelphia.net>
To: "Tony" <tonytime at clearwire.net>
Cc: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 6:37 AM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] The death penalty....a deterent!!!!!


>I have no problem standing up for life, Tony. I know what I believe and how 
>I would act. The question is, Can I generalize on this and insist that 
>everyone believe and act as I do? I don't think so.
>
> We agree about the moral issue. You just think that the moral debate is 
> more clear-cut than I do. I would rather leave such difficult decisions up 
> to individuals, not the government.
>
> --
> Joe Campbell
>
> ---- Tony <tonytime at clearwire.net> wrote:
>
> =============
> Joe, instances in which an abortion is the only alternative to losing the
> mother are EXTREMELY rare.  I think you know that this is a red herring.
>
> As far as killing a child to preclude potential future suffering.... that 
> is
> not a justification I would ever want to be in a position of supporting.
> What of a physically healthy child born into extreme poverty or an abusive
> home?  Should we snuff them out as well?  Joe, you are engaging in
> intellectual twister in an effort to rationalize what your heart must be
> telling you is horribly wrong.  You have been conned by our culture of
> death.
>
> It is not too late for you to assert your instincts, dispense with the
> straitjacket of liberal orthodoxy and STAND UP FOR LIFE!
>
> Best,  -T
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Joe Campbell" <joekc at adelphia.net>
> To: "Tony" <tonytime at clearwire.net>
> Cc: <vision2020 at moscow.com>; "Saundra Lund" <sslund at adelphia.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 7:01 PM
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] The death penalty....a deterent!!!!!
>
>
>> Dear Tony,
>>
>> Sorry my dear friend but you are mistaken. There are in fact a multitude
>> of justifications for particular abortions: the mother's life is in
>> danger, the child is destined to have a short life yet suffer a great
>> deal, etc.
>>
>> Are you suggesting that the decision to take a human life in the context
>> of a war or capital punishment is somehow less difficult, morally
>> speaking, to make than a similar decision about the taking a human life 
>> in
>> the context of an abortion? If so, I'm missing the argument. There are
>> difficulties all across the board.
>>
>> The legal/political question is clear in each case: Who is to decide, you
>> or the State?
>>
>> Hope that you are well!
>>
>> Best, Joe
>>
>> ---- Tony <tonytime at clearwire.net> wrote:
>>
>> =============
>> Saundra, capital punishment will VERY RARELY result in the unjustified
>> killing of the innocent.  Abortion results in the unjustified killing of
>> the
>> innocent EVERY SINGLE TIME!
>>
>> It really is time you began standing up for what is RIGHT.
>>
>> -T
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Saundra Lund" <sslund at adelphia.net>
>> To: "'Tony'" <tonytime at clearwire.net>
>> Cc: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 3:09 PM
>> Subject: RE: [Vision2020] The death penalty....a deterent!!!!!
>>
>>
>>> Tony wrote:
>>> "The death penalty results in the JUSTIFIED killing of the GUILTY."
>>>
>>> Well, at best, that's only partially correct.
>>>
>>> A more correct statement would be:
>>> The death penalty MAY result in the killing of the guilty, but because 
>>> of
>>> the inherent fallibility of any judicial system, it also results in the
>>> UNJUSTIFIED killing of the INNOCENT.
>>>
>>>
>>> HTH,
>>> Saundra Lund
>>> Moscow, ID
>>>
>>> The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to 
>>> do
>>> nothing.
>>> - Edmund Burke
>>>
>>> ***** Original material contained herein is Copyright 2006, Saundra 
>>> Lund.
>>> Do not copy, forward, excerpt, or reproduce outside the Vision 2020 
>>> forum
>>> without the express written permission of the author.*****
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com
>>> [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
>>> On Behalf Of Tony
>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 2:59 PM
>>> To: Tom Hansen
>>> Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] The death penalty....a deterent!!!!!
>>>
>>> Tom, you seem to be having considerable difficulty with what is really a
>>> very simple concept.  If you would pay more than your usual degree of
>>> attention, I will promise to go slow.......
>>>
>>> The death penalty results in the JUSTIFIED killing of the GUILTY.
>>> Abortion
>>> results in the UNJUSTIFIED killing of the INNOCENT.
>>>
>>> Did you get that, or should I arrange for some remedial courses?
>>>
>>> Helping the intellectually challenged,  -T
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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