[Vision2020] Questions for Doug --

Tue Oct 24 11:22:53 PDT 2006

Yes, but the moral basis of each of the "thou shalt not" commandments 
presumes the inherent evil of the act prohibited.  "Thou shalt not covet thy 
neighbor's wife" -- committing acts of envy, lust, and possibly adultery -- 
wasn't written, I'm sure, because the Israelites were confused on the point, 
but because the stated commandments reflect the righteousness of God.  Also, 
as Paul points out in the book of Romans, without law there is no 
understanding of our very failure to obey it.

keely

From: Joe Campbell <joekc at adelphia.net>
To: keely emerinemix <kjajmix1 at msn.com>
CC: ophite at gmail.com, vision2020 at moscow.com, robsentz at hotmail.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Questions for Doug --
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 10:40:36 -0700

Keely,

Certainly, I will defer to your expertise but one reason that I don't like 
your interpretation is that "murder" is by definition wrong -- it is the 
unjusified taking of a human life. It has wrongness already built into it, 
thus it would seem to be a waste of a commandment.

Best, Joe

---- keely emerinemix <kjajmix1 at msn.com> wrote:

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Actually, the context of the commandment is "thou shalt not murder."  It
presumes that you ought not kill, obviously, but that not all killing is
murder.  In the Old Testament, for example, God provided cities of refuge
for those who committed what we would now call involuntary manslaughter, and
none of us would equate the death of an aggressor in self defense as murder.

Nonetheless, I really hate the idea that women who abort are "murdering."
As is the case with involuntary manslaughter, for example, the result is the
same -- in my view, the cessation of human life -- but if Scripture gives
credence to different motives with the same outcome, we should as well.
Abortion is horrible enough without also presuming that women who feel
driven to get one are murderers; that implies intent -- "I'm gonna kill
someone!" -- that I believe is usually not present.

keely

From: Joe Campbell <joekc at adelphia.net>
To: keely emerinemix <kjajmix1 at msn.com>
CC: ophite at gmail.com, vision2020 at moscow.com, robsentz at hotmail.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Questions for Doug --
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 18:43:04 -0700

Isn't the commandment "Thou shalt not KILL"?
--
Joe Campbell

---- keely emerinemix <kjajmix1 at msn.com> wrote:

=============

Dude, hilarious and oblivious --

I believe Andreas was writing to and about Heirdoug Farris, who weighs in
here of all places.

keely

From: "Robert Sentz" <robsentz at hotmail.com>
To: ophite at gmail.com, vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Questions for Doug --
Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 23:51:14 -0400

Dude, Hilarious.
Why are you asking Doug (I am guessing Wilson) questions here of all places?
Hmmm.
Also, about abortion -  Are you serious?
If you are, "Thou shalt not commit murder."
Cheers,
Rob

   >From: "Andreas Schou" <ophite at gmail.com>
   >To: vision2020 at moscow.com
   >Subject: [Vision2020] Questions for Doug --
   >Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 19:44:31 -0700
   >
   >I noticed that I asked Doug a couple questions a few weeks ago.
   >Particularly:
   >
   >(1) What he believes the Biblical standards of behavior are for what
   >he believes are apostate Christians?
   >
   >(2) If he could possibly find a Bible verse, any Bible verse, that
   >condemns abortion or provides for any sort of punishment whatsoever
   >for abortion?
   >
   >(3) Whether Calvin had the authority to order the execution of Servetus?
   >
   >(4) Whether his church is post- or pre-Millennialist its eschatology?
   >
   >Taro, if you like, you could step in. But I suspect I won't get an
   >answer, and I suspect that's because Doug, like most people, is a
   >decent human being: one who won't tell another person to his face that
   >he believes that a Biblical government would have the authority to
   >execute him for his beliefs.
   >
   >-- ACS
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