[Vision2020] Debate or Coward?

g. crabtree jampot at adelphia.net
Wed Oct 4 12:52:47 PDT 2006 

Well, there you go, Matt. (if that is, in fact, your real name) If you see a 
cowboy hat perched atop an extremely angry and unhappy woman, scuttling 
through your landscaping during the wee hours, you'll know the reason why 
and have no one to blame but yourself. Look on the bright side, your new 
nocturnal creeper will likely drive off all the less tenacious vermin.

gc
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "J Ford" <privatejf32 at hotmail.com>
To: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 11:19 AM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Debate or Coward?


> Why would you need my address?  NOW that's creepy!!!  I noticed you have
> never asked anyone else their address....why is that?
>
> And my REAL name is J FORD (I am just not telling you my first name.)  My
> not giving out my particulars certainly does not prove that what I have 
> said
> if false or to be mistrusted.  Heck, I don't know your name to really be
> Matt, now do I?  And no, I do NOT want your address...or phone number...or
> anything else personal.  It is not necessary and really, really weird for
> anyone to suggest that is the only way they can trust what someone is 
> saying
> is by giving out their address.
>
> PROVE to me what I have said is false or incorrect?  Everything I have 
> been
> saying and would say about Dougie is the truth.  The fact that SO many
> others on other blogs are saying things too should tell you something. 
> And
> no, I am not referring just to Michael - although, his work is very
> definitely worth reading and heeding.  There are no less than 15 blogs, 
> from
> all over the country, that I know of that speak out against Dougie and his
> bunch.  They do not live here and they tell of his activities.
>
> I find it very interesting that Dougie continues to take the side of
> defrocked beings such as RC, Sitler/Jamin, and others and even volunteers 
> to
> take them into his church to put them among his followers when other
> churches have found them guilty of crimes.  Heck, even the legal system
> finds them guilty and he takes them in.  Why is that?  Why does he
> continually spit in the face of authority and what's right and hide the
> sinners under his cloak?
>
> And I am being VERY sincere about the wrongs of Dougie - that is NOT hate,
> just facts.
>
> But, if being one of the whipped boyz makes it easier for you to say
> anything different, go for it.
>
> Sorry, boy-o - I got nothing to prove to you and therefore will not be
> engaging you off-line.
>
>
>
> J  :]
>
>
>
>
>
>>From: "Matt Decker" <mattd2107 at hotmail.com>
>>To: privatejf32 at hotmail.com, metzler at moscow.com, vision2020 at moscow.com
>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Debate or Coward?
>>Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 23:19:14 -0700
>>
>>
>>J,
>>
>>
>>1. If you are trying to convince the public about how Doug is such a bad
>>man, why can't you tell your real name?
>>
>>2. If I am mistaken why don't you just clarify this by telling us here on
>>the vision what your address is.
>>
>>I can't get over the fact that someone hates another so much that they 
>>will
>>devote a majority of their viss time on Doug, without being sincere. 
>>Please
>>tell me I'm wrong, because your getting really creepy. If I am wrong, I am
>>sorry. Until that point though, a guy has to assume the worst at this
>>point.
>>Just as I assume the worst about what you are saying. Please just clarify.
>>If you would like talk to me off of the viss.
>>
>>Matt
>>
>> >From: "J Ford" <privatejf32 at hotmail.com>
>> >To: metzler at moscow.com, vision2020 at moscow.com
>> >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Debate or Coward?
>> >Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 22:37:47 -0700
>> >
>> >In order for Dougie-BOY to be a coward, he'd have to be in a position to
>> >run
>> >and have the ability to run.  He is and has neither.
>> >
>> >Dougie is just a punk.  He thinks if he says something long enough (in
>>this
>> >case, since 1993) and loud enough and to enough people (his whipped
>> >do(u)gs), that people will just give it up and say "Ok, you win."
>> >
>> >Dougie's non-position of one of feigning a fight behind the
>> >sportsboyzfromthekirkhood and the Do(u)gs.  This is simpler for him
>>because
>> >they get to take all the heat, which he in turn tells them ""Tis 
>> >nothing,
>> >my
>> >boyz.  Just a bunch of religious persecutors.  Pay them no heed."  Then
>>he
>> >stands there and says "What fight?  I don't see no stinking fight.  I
>> >certainly didn't start one."
>> >
>> >He had no ability to run because he would have to have legs to stand on
>>and
>> >he knows he does not.  He is NOT being persecuted or picked on or
>> >slandered.
>> >   The truth of who and what Dougie is is what others, here and on other
>> >blogs, repeatedly show.  He is no Christian (with a capital "C") and the
>> >only truths he knows are the ones he makes up and has rattling around in
>> >his
>> >pointed little head.
>> >
>> >If all else fails, he files false police reports against people who HAVE
>>NO
>> >REASON or WANT to do anything aginst him to prove his point of being
>> >harassed in an effort to force them to leave.  Heck - its worked before,
>> >why
>> >not keep doing it to others?
>> >
>> >To make things interesting, Dougie, why not respond to Michael or Ralph
>>or
>> >Miss Keely?  Why not have people read or listen to you stumble over
>> >yourself
>> >trying to defend the indefensible?  Maybe if you were to do that, people
>> >WOULD get enough of *your* crap and let you go on your merry way 
>> >straight
>> >to
>> >the little rubber room that is reserved for you at the Psych Ward.
>> >
>> >On the other had, if you *were* to run from yet another fight that you
>>HAVE
>> >started, you may be able to loose some of that girth you have acquired 
>> >in
>> >recent years.
>> >
>> >The line in the sand has been drawn, me boy-o...go for it!
>> >
>> >
>> >J  :]
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > >From: "Michael" <metzler at moscow.com>
>> > >To: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>> > >Subject: [Vision2020] Debate or Coward?
>> > >Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 18:13:17 -0700
>> > >
>> > >Doug,
>> > >
>> > >I seek to disagree. Doug Wilson has been seeking to avoid debating me
>>for
>> >9
>> > >months about anything just after he bagged on our Credenda debate
>>towards
>> > >the end.  He refused to complete the debate and finally have it
>>published
>> >-
>> > >he was dodging my arguments with subterfuge and it would have been an
>> > >embarrassment to him. And then he did everything he could (including
>> >lying
>> > >and bullying) to dodge answering my criticisms on his blog. He has
>> >likewise
>> > >sought to clamp down on debate over this Ligonier law suit and refuses
>>to
>> > >follow through with debate or answer important questions or challenges
>> >from
>> > >many people; the same occurred over the RC Sproul Jr Scandal this last
>> > >summer; and the same happened regarding the Sitler issue.  It is very
>> >clear
>> > >who is running from debate and very clear who Wilson's current debate
>> > >partners are.  Posting a letter from 1993 to prove otherwise is a sad
>> > >commentary to how bad the situation has become. But I wish Wilson was
>> >just
>> > >a
>> > >coward.
>> > >
>> > >Thanks
>> > >Michael
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >Sir Ralph,
>> > >
>> > >Maybe you could finally respond and take Pastor Wilson up on this 14
>>year
>> > >old request.
>> > >
>> > >http://www.dougwils.com/index.asp?Action=Anchor
>> >
>> ><http://www.dougwils.com/index.asp?Action=Anchor&CategoryID=1&BlogID=2914>
>> > >&CategoryID=1&BlogID=2914
>> > >
>> > >It would be good to get it all out in the open.
>> > >
>> > >lemeno, Doug!
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
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