[Vision2020] Saundra tries to mislead matt with phoney sweetness

[Sue Hovey]

Referring to human casualties as "collateral damage" is supposed to make 
ones opinions legitimate???

Sue Hovey


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tony" <tonytime at clearwire.net>
To: "Saundra Lund" <sslund at adelphia.net>
Cc: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 8:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Saundra tries to mislead matt with phoney 
sweetness


> Matt, these folks are desperately trying to shake your good instincts.
> Saundra insists that we used the bomb against noncombatants.  The crucial
> distinction she is either unable to grasp, or unwilling to acknowledge, is
> that these civilian casualties were NOT targeted!  They were collateral
> damage in an era of imprecise warfare.  Japan's INDUSTRIAL CENTERS were
> targeted.  Her comparison of our actions then to the bombing of the trade
> centers, a target with NO MILITARY APPLICATION, is the genuine obscenity
> here, and I submit she should hang her head in shame for such an inane and
> shameful statement.
>
> She continues that we were "itching" to blow these civilians to bits just 
> to
> strut our stuff.  I assume that she will hang her head and slink off the
> next time she passes a veteran such as yourself, who she has so cavalierly
> disdained as a callous killer.
>
> This pinhead then goes on to state, with breathtaking arrogance, that we
> interned Japanese Americans out of racism rather than a legitimate concern
> for national security!
>
> Make no mistake Matt, these libs have NO RESPECT for you.  They view you 
> as
> an ignorant dupe to be conned.  And they owe you, as a vet, an apology.
>
> But don't hold your breath.
>
>>From a sincere admirer,  -T----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Saundra Lund" <sslund at adelphia.net>
> To: "'Matt Decker'" <mattd2107 at hotmail.com>; <ophite at gmail.com>
> Cc: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 7:38 PM
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Tony Simpsom Shills for Terrorists Yet Again!
>
>
>> Hi Again Matt & Andreas,
>>
>> I appreciate the discussion . . . and I think you two have done a good 
>> job
>> of illustrating why the US decision to drop nuclear bombs on Japan is
>> still
>> hotly -- and validly -- debated.  I certainly wasn't alive back then, and
>> I'm no historian, but I have read quite a bit about it because I think 
>> our
>> use of atomic bombs against noncombatants was flatly immoral and
>> unethical,
>> just as I think the attacks on the World Trade Center were.
>>
>> Not surprisingly, I think Andreas' assessment of a broken Japan at the
>> time
>> of the bombings is more accurate.
>>
>> I would like to think, Matt, that those responsible for making the
>> decisions
>> had only sound reasons for their decision in spite of the fact that I
>> disagree with the decision.  However, for me, several significant facts
>> weigh against that conclusion.  I'll mention only two of them.
>>
>> First of all, my reading of history convinces me we had this new toy we
>> were
>> just *itching* to use.  The competition, the expectations, the message to
>> be
>> sent to the rest of the world . . . all of that simply cannot be 
>> forgotten
>> or overlooked, IMHO, in the analysis of the US decision to use nuclear
>> weapons against noncombatants.
>>
>> Second, I think it incredibly . . . naïve to not look at the *all* the
>> socio-political factors in play at the time.  Anti-Japanese sentiment was
>> rampant in the US -- don't forget we had already allowed the rights and
>> lives of tens of thousands of (Japanese) citizens to trampled due to
>> simple
>> racism of the kind we unfortunately witnessed from Tony Simpson over the
>> weekend.
>>
>> After all, it's a lot easier to rationalize the unleashing of nuclear 
>> h*ll
>> on innocent men, women, and children when you believe they're just a
>> little
>> less than human, and the timing of having an easily visually identifiable
>> enemy at the time that we had a new "toy" the boys wanted to play with 
>> was
>> incredibly convenient.
>>
>>
>> JMHO,
>> Saundra Lund
>> Moscow, ID
>>
>> The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do
>> nothing.
>> - Edmund Burke
>>
>> ***** Original material contained herein is Copyright 2006, Saundra Lund.
>> Do not copy, forward, excerpt, or reproduce outside the Vision 2020 forum
>> without the express written permission of the author.*****
>>
>>
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