[Vision2020] Tet Offensive

[Art Deco]

You are being too rational and writing too clearly!

W.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sunil Ramalingam" <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>
To: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 11:35 AM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Tet Offensive


> Pat,
>
> I tried to make this point to you before, and obviously failed.  I tried 
> to
> make it again to Tony, and it's obvious you still don't see what I'm 
> trying
> to say this time either, but I'll try again.
>
> Japan has a very homogenous population.  Iraq's population has three
> different competing groups with major fissures.  That means that it is 
> very
> difficult to find agreement, if for example, one of the groups thinks it 
> can
> get a better outcome outside of the system we are trying to impose. This 
> is
> something the government should have considered.  It is the type of 
> subject
> that should have been part of the discussion in Congress if it was a 
> reason
> for the invasion.
>
> There is no similarity between Japan and Iraq, and wishful thinking and
> platitudes like "Maybe it can work out' are not good enough.  I think we
> need more than that when we risk lives and treasure.   We need some
> practical reason to believe such a policy might work.
>
> Since I don't support our government killing Iraqis, I don't support 
> Hussein
> doing it.  How strange of you to make that suggestion.  Are you suggesting
> the reason for our intervention was humanitarian?  Why haven't we invaded
> Sudan?  There's certainly a humanitarian disaster going on there.
>
> I don't think we invaded for humanitarian reasons.  Hussein was a butcher
> from the beginning, yet we supported him.  When he was gassing the Kurds, 
> we
> tried to blame the Iranians for the use of gas, when they were also 
> victims
> of the same cruelty.
>
> Sunil
>
>
>>From: "Pat Kraut" <pkraut at moscow.com>
>>To: "vision2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Tet Offensive
>>Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 21:51:59 -0800
>>
>>I can't think of one in Asia either before Japan but they are now.
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Sunil Ramalingam" <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>
>>To: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2006 10:06 AM
>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Tet Offensive
>>
>>
>>Yes, blindingly brilliant, once I remembered that the Confederacy was made
>>up of a mixture of Sunni Arabs, Shiite Arabs, and Kurds, who had once 
>>lived
>>under the US Constitution.  That was why we were able to have them accept
>>the outcome of the Civil War.
>>
>>Now, can you point to a single place in the Middle East where democracy 
>>was
>>imposed by a foreign invader?  You seem to be saying that is the reason 
>>for
>>our illegal invasion of Iraq.  If that was the reason, why was that not
>>part
>>of a national debate before the invasion?  Shouldn't we have some
>>assessment
>>of whether it's been done before, and whether it's possible now?
>>
>>I don't expect you to answer that question, but if you're going to accuse
>>me
>>of clouding the issue, you should be honest enough to try.  Suprise me,
>>won't you?
>>
>>And since you also talk of uneducated third worlders in a tone that at 
>>best
>>is patronizing and at worst racist (your use of the word 'raghead' cements
>>that view), don't you remember that supporters of the war claimed that
>>transformation of Iraq would be easy because of its highly-educated
>>population?
>>
>>Sunil
>>
>>
>> >From: "Tony" <tonytime at clearwire.net>
>> >To: "Sunil Ramalingam" <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>
>> >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Tet Offensive
>> >Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 07:47:19 -0800
>> >
>> >Thank you Sunil.  I thought that particular post of mine was 
>> >particularly
>> >brilliant.  Kind of you to acknowledge that.
>> >
>> >Best,  -T
>>
>>
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