[Vision2020] Guests or Tenants?
keely emerinemix
kjajmix1 at msn.com
Tue Nov 7 11:28:57 PST 2006
Could it be that Keely's a mouthy chick? I'm guessing that has a lot to do
with it . . .
keely
From: Joe Campbell <joekc at adelphia.net>
To: "g. crabtree" <jampot at adelphia.net>
CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Guests or Tenants?
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 10:44:29 -0800
Gary,
Not surprisingly, you missed the point. Let me slow things down for you.
I said nothing about there being something in "the city code that
distinguishes between one month or four years." I said that there was
something in the city code that distinguished between a guest who might stay
a month or longer from a boarder who is "housed or fed for compensation on a
weekly or longer basis."
The “weekly or longer†phrase here refers to, for instance, an exchange
of room and board for some kind of monetary compensation paid, by the
boarder, on a WEEKLY, or monthly, or yearly, etc. basis.
Can you admit this much? If so, then there are CLEAR differences between the
situation with regard to Keely's friends and the situation with regard to
NSA boarders.
First, Keely's friends have VIOLATED NO LAWS. There are, as of yet, no
Korean student boarders in Moscow and there has not, as of yet, been any
WEEKLY (or longer) compensation paid by these non-existent boarders. In the
case of NSA students, the allegation, at least, is that there have been
violations of the very code you note below, and that there are, as we speak,
continued violations of that code. The complaint by folks like myself is
that this is part of a general pattern of disregard for city law and
disrespect for folks who do not adopt Doug Wilson's narrow worldview.
Second, Keely's original post requested that if anyone was "interested in
hosting for a few weeks, with compensation, please e-mail" her friend. My
point was that compensation for a few weeks was not the same thing as WEEKLY
compensation. I could have stated this more clearly, I admit, but I was in a
rush to get to my day job.
Third, there was nothing in Keely’s original post suggesting what form
this compensation should take. If it is to take the form of food or odd
jobs, as Tom suggests, then I’m not sure how it could be construed as a
violation of the city code.
Overall, Dale's comparison between the situation involving Keely's friends
and the ones involving NSA students is like the comparison between apples
and oranges.
Let me close with a few questions. Since we now have a clearer understanding
of what is and is not a boarder, in the event that there are actual
violations by NSA students of the city code, will you join me in condemning
such violations? If not, what should be done? Why is it that you rush to
post about potential violations of the city code when it concerns Keely and
her friends yet ignore the allegations of actual violations of the city code
when it concerns your friends? Is there something about someone's being your
friend that makes him above the law and beyond contempt?
Joe
---- "g. crabtree" <jampot at adelphia.net> wrote:
=============
Joe asks...
Isn't Keely talking about folks who are visiting for a month or so, not
folks who are intending to attend and then graduate from some local
four-year school?
And I reply that I'm sure that she is. The fact that you "would not classify
putting someone up for a month or so as housing or feeding someone "for
compensation on a weekly or longer basis." (a phrase that defies logic, but
I'll assume to take your meaning) makes no difference. There is nothing in
the city code that distinguishes between one month or four years. Any
difference that has been discussed so far on this forum has been opinion
based on personnel feelings, not law. I find it funny and ironic that folks
who would use this issue to attack one group and then turn around and
advocate the same thing, all the while claiming a difference based on some
arbitrary duration and their subjective opinion. The fact that Mr. Courtney
or anyone else might happen to have an opinion and elect to comment on it
seems perfectly reasonable to me.
gc
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe Campbell" <joekc at adelphia.net>
To: "g. crabtree" <jampot at adelphia.net>
Cc: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 7:11 AM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Guests or Tenants?
> Isn't Keely talking about folks who are visiting for a month or so, not
> folks who are intending to attend and then graduate from some local
> four-year school? I would not classify putting someone up for a month or
> so as housing or feeding someone "for compensation on a weekly or longer
> basis." It doesn't say housing or feeding "for a week or more."
>
> --
> Joe Campbell
>
> ---- "g. crabtree" <jampot at adelphia.net> wrote:
>
> =============
> For the last couple of days posting to this forum has been a bit screwy
> from my computer. I hope this only shows up once.
>
>
> Wrong, as usual. City code quite clearly defines boarding house's as
> 12. Boarding House.
>
> A building occupied by its owner in which not more than six (6) roomers,
> lodgersand/or boarders are housed or fed for compensation on a weekly or
> longer basis. Ord. 2006-11, 08/07/06)With this in mind, I fail to see how
> the situation that Ms. Mix is suggesting, and the previous boarding house
> issue that you have decried with such vigor in the not so distant past,
is
> any different -- aside from the players, of course. It seems that you
> would hold Ms. Mix and friends to a different standard than certain
> "others" that you do not hold in the same high regard. I can't for the
> life of me see how it could be inappropriate for Dale to suggest that
some
> small measure of consistency enter into the equation.
>
> gc
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Tom Hansen
> To: 'g. crabtree' ; 'Vision 2020'
> Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2006 8:10 AM
> Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Guests or Tenants?
>
>
> Applying the quotation marks (") to my statement was merely meant to
> serve as my distinction of the two concepts, not to reflect any specific
> legal boundary, ok?
>
>
>
> Although the city code does not (in writing) define a "boarding house",
a
> session (not that long ago) of the city council verbally defined
"boarding
> houses". I could dig through my repository of audio files of City
Council
> sessions, but I would consider that to be time and effort poorly spent as
> I am certain that you can recall these sessions on your own.
>
>
>
> And lastly, Comb-Over's inappropriateness was apparent in his
implication
> at:
>
>
>
> "I'm sure that everyone she recommends will have their conditional use
> permits thru the City, approved and paid for - just like every other
> international student's host family in Moscow has."
>
>
>
> Enough said.
>
>
>
> Tom Hansen
>
> Moscow, Idaho
>
> Intolerista Sergeant-at-Arms
>
> "Most truths are so naked that people feel sorry for them and cover
them
> up, at least a little bit."
> - Edward R. Murrow
>
>
>
>
>
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>
> From: g. crabtree [mailto:jampot at adelphia.net]
> Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2006 7:02 AM
> To: Tom Hansen; Vision 2020
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Guests or Tenants?
>
>
>
>
>
> After having glanced at the Moscow city code definition of a boarding
> house, could you please explain how providing accommodations to guests
for
> a couple of weeks for compensation fails to meet the afore mentioned
> definition? Just exactly where in the code does it distinguish between a
> "resident guest" and a "resident tenant"? And lastly, why would it be
> "inappropriate commentary" to discuss this type of topic on Dale's
> personal blog and yet be just ducky for you to do the same on your own
web
> site, to which you thoughtfully provided a link, not to mention here on
> the V?
>
>
>
> gc
>
>
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