[Vision2020] Who Has More Influence in the Media? Was: ActiveTroops by and l

[Scott Dredge]

Matt,



Chuck Kovis wrote: "You guys control the three branches of the federal goverment.  You control 

the three branches of Idaho government.    You control the media.  And you 

guys still bitch about liberals.  What the hell is the matter?  Can't you guys take success?"

The non-response to this was to rat hole on who has more influence in the media.  I'm not sure
why this matters.  It seems to me that the conservatives are very well represented in the media,
but maybe that's just because I happen to listen to a lot of conservative talk radio.  Liberal talk
radio, if there is such a thing, does not interest me..  I read today's paper including Pat Buchanan's
column.  I don't spend as much time reading the paper as I used to because I pick off so much news
a lot quicker just looking at the yahoo home page and yet I don't recall any shortage of conservative
columns.  Along with Buchanan, there were regular conservative columns by Charles Krauthaummer
and Cal Thomas.

Personally, I don't particularly care for either party which is why I would prefer to always see a balance
with one party controlling Congress and the other controlling the White House.  I don't care which party
controls which branch, I would just like to see them split so that the issues on the extreme fringes of each
party just fall by the wayside and only the issues that are agreeable to both sides are moved forward.

Like Chuck, I'm amazed that the conservatives have consolidated all the power and yet still complain
about the liberals.  Liberals are not the reason for the failings of the Bush administration.

-Scott


----- Original Message ----

From: Matt Decker <mattd2107 at hotmail.com>

To: chasuk at gmail.com; jampot at adelphia.net

Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com

Sent: Sunday, November 5, 2006 7:48:18 AM

Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Who Has More Influence in the Media? Was: ActiveTroops by and l



Chas,

You said"That's a no-brainer, Gary, and you aren't stupid.  Are you really 

that

desperate to score a win for the conservatives, that you have to

resort to intellectual dishonesty?  Or are is Pat Kraut rubbing off on

you?"



I believe this original topic when Kovis said "WE" control the 3 branches 

and the media.

Now granted Rush, Oreilly, and Hannity are big names. Are you really saying 

the the news agencies don't have a left sided bias? Or do you really feel 

they are down the middle? Its not a secret that the right control the radio. 

To suggest we control the TV and movie scenes is blind. Even my Poly sci 

teacher who was very liberal understood this.



Matt



>From: Chasuk <chasuk at gmail.com>

>To: "g. crabtree" <jampot at adelphia.net>

>CC: vision2020 at moscow.com

>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Who Has More Influence in the Media? Was: 

>ActiveTroops by and large

>Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2006 13:16:17 -0800

>

>This is a repost.  It contains the same content,  but with a few typo

>corrections.

>

>*******************************************************************************************

>

>I will walk you through the relevant excerpts.  The thread began properly

>with this post from Chuck Kovis:

>

> > You guys control the three branches of the federal goverment.  You 

>control

> > the three branches of Idaho government.    You control the media.  And 

>you

> > guys still bitch about liberals.  What the hell is the matter?

>

>Matt Decker responded:

>

> > Us guys control the media? Have you checked your stations lately?

>

>The thread meandered for a bit until Art Deco wrote:

>

> > CNN's answer to Bill O'Reily is Glenn Beck,  Beck is just as 

>conservative as

> > O'Reily only not such an asshole about it.

>

>Matt responded:

>

> > Wow, golly, Gee Art. Your so right, and how could I think that the media 

>has

> > no spin. With all of the posts against my opinion, I have to believe 

>that

> > Air America, ABC,NBC,CBS, and CNN are all conservative driven. What on

> > Darwins green earth was I thinking.

>

>The thread is no longer about active troops supporting Bush; the title

>really should have been changed.  Mea partially culpa.  I rectify that

>in this post.  The tangent has clearly now devolved/evolved into a

>discussion of who has more influence in the media, the conservatives

>or the liberals.

>

>I posted a list of conservative celebrities, "celebrities [known] for

>their impassioned espousal of conservative values, not celebrities who

>happen to be conservative."

>

>Here is the relevant excerpt:

>

> > I can name Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter, Glenn Beck, Sean Hannity,

> > Michael Reagan, Gordon Liddy, Bill O'Reilly, Michael Savage, Michael

> > Medved, and Laura Schlessinger.  I've probably missed a few.  All of

> > them, celebrity conservatives (.i.e,. celebrities for their

> > impassioned espousal of conservative values, not celebrities who

> > happen to be conservative).

>

>You post a list entirely dissimilar to mine, because you entirely miss

>the point.

>

>You write:

>

> > So instead of "a comparable list full of celebrity liberals who get as 

>much

> > media exposure" that you originally asked for, the list must now be

> > comprised of celebrity liberals who have radio talk shows?

>

>Uh, you have it partially right, yes.  The discussion here is about

>who has more influence in the media, the conservatives or the

>liberals, which obviously means (as I clarified in my first post) that

>any examples need to be "celebrities [known] for their impassioned

>espousal of conservative values [or liberal], not celebrities who

>happen to be conservative [or liberal]."

>

>I don't know who most of these people are:

>

>Terry Gross

>Diane Rehm

>Al Franken

>Randi Rhoades

>Thom Hartmann

>Rachel Maddow

>Steve Earle

>Mike Newcomb

>Bernie Ward

>Mike Webb

>Guy James

>Laura Flanders

>Ray Taliaferro

>Niel Rogers

>Lynn Cullen

>Roxanne Walker

>

>You then anticipate my very real objection:

>

> > I could go on. Now, let me anticipate your next objection. 'Well jeepers

> > Gary, these folks don't have anything like the audience or the notoriety 

>of

> > the people I had on my list.'

>

>No shit.  We are talking about which philosophy has the most influence

>in the media, conservative or liberal, so YES it makes a difference

>that the folks on your list don't have anything like the audience or

>the notoriety of the people on mine.

>

>I'll spell it out for you:

>

>Big Audience + Notoriety == Big Influence

>Small Audience + Obscurity == Small Influence

>

>

>That's a no-brainer, Gary, and you aren't stupid.  Are you really that

>desperate to score a win for the conservatives, that you have to

>resort to intellectual dishonesty?  Or are is Pat Kraut rubbing off on

>you?

>

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