[Vision2020] Active Troops by and large, support Bush....

[Sunil Ramalingam]

Gary,

You said at the end of your post,

'I think that most folks don't care for the
hectoring, anti-USA message that was being pounded out ad nauseam, not to
mention the snarkey,' I'm more intelligent then you red state rubes'
attitude. An attitude that is becoming significantly more prevalent (on this
list as well as general liberal media sources. Please ref. the NYT editorial
Ms. Paul so thoughtfully provided) as election day draws closer. An
attitude, not surprisingly, amply displayed in your response.'

Ms. Pall forwarded Thomas Friedman's column.  As I pointed out to Pat Kraut, 
Friedman was a supporter of the war from the beginning.  He's no liberal. 
I'm a liberal, and I spit almost every time I read one of his columns.  He 
wrote one pro-war column after another.  He bought into the foolish notion 
that we could impose change in the Middle East by invading Iraq, and in 
doing so believed those selling that particular snake oil; I don't think 
that was the reason for the war, but it's one of the current rationales.

There is nothing conservative in that idea.  It's a radical idea, and one 
completely unsupported by history.  Can anyone point out a Middle Eastern 
state where such a plan succeeded?  There's nothing conservative about 
launching such a scheme when it's unsupported by history, and has so many 
reasons to fail.  There were plenty of reasons to see that Iran would be in 
a position to benefit from this.

That said, Friedman has turned against the HANDLING of the war over the last 
year or so.  He has been very critical of Rumsfeld and Bush, and certainly 
attacked the White House in this column.  That doesn't make him a liberal.  
It just means he's finally realized he jumped into bed with the wrong people 
and now he's trying to salvage his reputation.  He was certainly attacking 
the White House for trying to make the most out of Kerry's botched joke to 
distract attention from the huge mess they've made.

I heard a soundbite of Bush on Rush Limbaugh's show, in which he attacked 
Kerry and said Kerry had to understand that words have consequences.

I'm glad Bush knows this.  Were there any consequences when the world's best 
protected person said to the Iraqi insurgents, 'Bring it on?'  How many dead 
since then?  Where does he get off going after Kerry?  He chose to start the 
war, until the last couple of weeks he's the one saying 'Stay the course,' 
while other people get shot up.  Consequences indeed.

I don't think one takes an anti-US position when you see your country headed 
towards a cliff.  You want to call it that, perhaps you can defend the 
positions that have led us here. I can't.  If you can explain how you think 
we can improve things, I'm all ears.

Sunil


>From: "g. crabtree" <jampot at adelphia.net>
>To: "Chasuk" <chasuk at gmail.com>
>CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Active Troops by and large, support Bush....
>Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2006 08:17:14 -0800
>
>I the original post to which I have been trying to respond, you said...
>
>"I can name Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter, Glenn Beck, Sean Hannity,
>Michael Reagan, Gordon Liddy, Bill O'Reilly, Michael Savage, Michael
>Medved, and Laura Schlessinger.  I've probably missed a few.  All of
>them, celebrity conservatives (.i.e,. celebrities for their
>impassioned espousal of conservative values, not celebrities who
>happen to be conservative).
>
>Present a comparable list full of celebrity liberals who get as
>much media exposure, and you might be able to convince me that you
>have a point.  I can think of Michael Moore.
>
>Air America is a business failure.  Fox News is the cable news
>leader, earning higher points ratings than CNN and MSNBC combined.
>Eight out of ten of the most-watched nightly cable news shows belong
>to Fox.  In July 2006, of the 56 top rated telecasts on cable news,
>Fox was responsible for broadcasting the first 55.
>
>Who gets more airplay again, the liberals or the conservatives?"
>
>I think that I can read fairly well. For all the world it appears that you
>are desperately try to make the case that conservatives are represented in
>far greater numbers in the media than liberals. My first list disabused 
>that
>notion. In an effort to limit my ability to point out how you are wrong, 
>you
>insist that the liberals I point out must be famous for nothing other than
>being liberal.  My second list did exactly that. (I threw in "on the radio"
>as a freebie to mirror your list as accurately as possible) Now you have
>fallen back on the age old liberal standard of "you're just to ignorant to
>keep up with what I have written." Nice fall back position.
>
>  Just because you imagine FOX to be 100% conservative 100% of the time
>(which it most assuredly isn't) how does that override the liberal voices
>that emanate from practically every other major source? Most especially the
>big three network news outlets? How about government funded NPR? Pacifica?
>Our own little "progressive" gem KRFP?
>
>Yes, Air America is a business failure, but not from any lack of effort or,
>goodness knows, money. Air America's message was simply not in tune with
>what the vast majority of Americans are willing to endure. I can almost 
>hear
>you muttering under your breath, 'deaf to the truth,' but I don't believe
>that to be the case at all. I think that most folks don't care for the
>hectoring, anti-USA message that was being pounded out ad nauseam, not to
>mention the snarkey,' I'm more intelligent then you red state rubes'
>attitude. An attitude that is becoming significantly more prevalent (on 
>this
>list as well as general liberal media sources. Please ref. the NYT 
>editorial
>Ms. Paul so thoughtfully provided) as election day draws closer. An
>attitude, not surprisingly, amply displayed in your response.
>
>gc
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Chasuk" <chasuk at gmail.com>
>To: "g. crabtree" <jampot at adelphia.net>
>Cc: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>Sent: Friday, November 03, 2006 9:13 PM
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Active Troops by and large, support Bush....
>
>
> > On 11/3/06, g. crabtree <jampot at adelphia.net> wrote:
> >
> >> So instead of "a comparable list full of celebrity liberals who get as
> >> much
> >> media exposure" that you originally asked for, the list must now be
> >> comprised of celebrity liberals who have radio talk shows?
> >
> > You really need to learn to read, Gary.
> >
> > --
> > "Intolerance betrays want of faith in one's cause." -- Mahatma Gandhi
> >
>
>
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